Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

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Fake 500GB Sony USB flash drive listed by UK ebay seller

label_m09 An ebay seller has listed a massive 500GB fake Sony drive. Seller label_m09 has only been registered since 13-Mar-09 in the United Kingdom and has 0 feedback.

We at fightflashfraud suspect this is a deliberately fraudulent seller who previously listed the item under another ID.

 Do not bid on this item – there is no such thing as a USB flash drive of this capacity produced by Sony or anyone else.  It is just not technically possible to produce a flash memory item of this capacity at this size!

We advise everyone who buys flash memory items to test them with the free program h2testw irrespective of where they were purchased – otherwise you run the risk of data loss and corruption.

Report your fake if testing confirms you have purchased fake capacity flash memory on ebay.

UPDATE March 16th
Seems that one of these sold for £15 including postage today. This is probably less than the seller paid for it. Looks like the seller will have made quite a loss here. The remaining one is on £13.00 including postage as I update the post. Seems more ebayers have become aware that there are no USB flash drives above 64GB and most above 8GB on ebay are fake.

UPDATE 02 August 2009
We note that there have been a lot of visits to this old post in the last couple of days. This suggests to us that many people have recently fallen prey to a similar fraud. Although the capacities available are now higher than they were when this post was originally written the highest capacity genuine flash drive currently available is only around half the capacity that was advertised by this seller.

At the time of writing this update (as far as we have discovered at this point) only five flash drives above 64GB are available. There seem to be four drives at 128GB – but availability is very limited. There is only one of a higher capacity than 128GB. If you bought a flash drive advertised as 500GB please leave a comment here about where you got it. They are all fakes!!!

UPDATE 10th August 2009
As we have noticed a lot of people visiting this post recently we decided to do a quick update on this post for those that don’t bother to read the comments. The highest capacity flash drive now available is no longer 128GB but is now 256GB – again from Kingston.

There are still no 500GB flash drives!! If you really need flash drives of over 16GB (and most people don’t!) then buy direct from the manufacturer or the approved suppliers they give links to on their websites. Otherwise you have only yourself to blame when you run into trouble with lost and corrupted files!

UPDATE 28TH SEPT 2009
We note this post is still getting lots of visitors which suggests that there are still fraudsters out there selling supposedly 500GB flash drives. There is still is not (and never will be) a 500GB USB flash drive! Hard drive, yes – flash drive, no. There is a difference between the capacities of flash drives and hard drives – they are composed differently so there will never be a genuine 500GB USB flash drive. The highest currently available capacity is 256GB. They are extremely expensive, so buyers would be better off buying a portable hard drive that connects with a USB cable as these are much cheaper!! Not only that, they will be more reliable.

UPDATE 08th December 2009
If you are looking at this old post we wonder why?

Please let us know by leaving a comment – we can’t quite understand why it is such a popular post!

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  1. … Well, ain’t this a b. I went shopping around with some good friends, and came across these fakes. “Sony Microvault” in 500 GB and **880** GB storage on the label.

    I was coaxed into buying it from my friends, and they coaxed me into basically getting it for about 100RMB or 15USD instead of the starting 500RMB or 75USD and final, after much haggling, 180RMB or 27USD.

    Suffice it to say, I bought it nonetheless. I was skeptical about this, being a little tech-savvy, but my Uncle coerced me into buying.

    These guys are insanely cheeky. They don’t say that it’s NOT GIGABYTE, that it is GIGABIT. Windows shows it as 879 GIGABYTE, whereas I tested the pen drive with H2testw and it said only 108.6 MEGABYTES available.

    Thought about it, and went on Google converting 880 GIGABITS into MEGABYTES… the result? 112 MEGABYTES.
    Talk about deception. A large number of those Chinese made, I assume, are written in GigaBITS. Essentially turning something 125 MB into a label of 880 GB… they wrongly capitalise the B.

    *Sigh* Nice that I saved money on a bogus purchase, but as a full-time college student, that still hurt me. This is the second time I’ve crossed the “If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.” and I’m down 2 losses… lesson learnt. DON”T BE DRAWN IN!!

    Victor

    January 25, 2011 at 8:08 AM

  2. I know that much, I only purchased 2 to test out their capacities. It’s only good that I never put anything important.

    Jerard

    November 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM

  3. Hi Jerard,
    Wasn’t anything you did – this is what happens with fakes!

    fightflashfraud

    November 5, 2010 at 6:10 PM

  4. I actually bought a couple of these Flash Drives in Shanghai, already knowing that they are fake (but they kind of look nice though, at least on the Sony 640 GB – looks like a pill). I did try to bargain them from their pricy 650+ RMB to 200+ RMB (that already shows that the prices aren’t what they seem to be in terms of quality).

    Though I tried to put some files in it to test it out, some of my files work, but when I put a certain file (or was it because I created a folder 1st?), all the files in storage got screwy and no longer works. Can’t format it at all… basically, they became duds. I don’t know how to fix them yet, but I believe they’re completely ruined… on the good side, I got them at a much, much, cheaper price. So I guess you can put 2 things on your mind with this experience. 1. In China, assume everything is fake and try to get the lowest possible price to bargain. 2. When it comes to storage capacity, always have back-up.

    Jerard

    November 5, 2010 at 6:07 PM

  5. Hello Will,

    Your friend was indeed scammed – China is stuffed to the gills with fake flash drives and the fraudsters there are busy dumping this dangerous rubbish on the rest of the world! We advise everyone who uses flash memory items to arm themselves with a copy of h2testw!

    fightflashfraud

    October 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM

  6. I saw one last week. My friend had spent about 30 dollars on it when he went to china. We plugged it in and it definitely said 500gb when we checked its disc space but we were unable to access it, neither were we able to put anything on it at all. Looks like he got scammed good to me.

    Will

    October 11, 2010 at 8:22 AM

  7. Hi pepijn
    It is certain to be fake and will corrupt your files once the real capacity (probably 4GB at most) is exceeded – don’t put anything on it that you have not got a copy of elsewhere! It’s safer and quicker to test with h2testw than to load your own files on – a test of the first 8GB is probably enough to show you at what point files start to be lost and corrupted.

    fightflashfraud

    May 14, 2010 at 7:57 AM

  8. hi,

    i saw the SONY drives at a shopping mall in Shanghai, and got too curious, so i bought one. they started at 500 RBM (about 50 dollar) I bought it for 50. I was quite sure they were fake, but when you put them in your computer, and you look at the preferences, you’ll see it contains 859 Gb… Probably still fake, but I’m transferring a lot of items to it now, and I’m at 2Gb already. Still way too expensive at $5, but not a total rip off. I wanted to see for myself anyway.

    Pepijn

    pepijn

    May 14, 2010 at 7:39 AM

  9. i just fallen for a listing from a UK seller. Tried to workout a solution with eBay but they want me to treat is as a “normal” return wanting me to work it out with the seller after 7 days through the return mechanism. Here is some of the conversation with the genuis at their help center:
    Polaris B. has joined this session!
    4:32:57 AM System
    Connected with Polaris B.
    4:33:08 AM Polaris B.
    Hello, thank you for waiting and welcome to eBay Live Help. My name is Polaris. I’m just going to take a quick minute to read over what you’ve gone over with the previous representative and I’ll be right back.
    4:33:08 AM rootsq8
    Hello. I was a victim of a fraud and Ebay helped in it. Please check item # 250604638594. I just purchased this item. The seller demanded immediate payment so I paid also. Through PayPal.
    4:33:29 AM rootsq8
    oh great.. save me the trouble or retyping. thx
    4:35:38 AM Polaris B.
    May I put you on hold for a few minutes while I check on this?
    4:35:42 AM rootsq8
    ok
    4:36:58 AM Polaris B.
    You want to return the item?
    4:37:07 AM rootsq8
    yes please and a refund
    4:38:19 AM rootsq8
    i already filed a return but i dont want to wait for the seller to respond because im sure he will not comply seeing that he foreced an immediate payment and your involvment is not an option to you since eBay was made aware of these fardualent items before and if it wasn’t for eBay allowing this listing I wouldn’t have fallen for it
    4:39:16 AM rootsq8
    in other words, please do not treat this as a “normal item” return where me and seller have to reach a solution together. i need you to force a return and a refund
    4:39:48 AM Polaris B.
    You can file a case 7 days from the date of the transaction.
    4:40:06 AM rootsq8
    i know i can but i wish you read what i wrote before telling me that
    4:40:20 AM rootsq8
    rootsq8
    i already filed a return but i dont want to wait for the seller to respond because im sure he will not comply seeing that he foreced an immediate payment and your involvment is not an option to you since eBay was made aware of these fardualent items before and if it wasn’t for eBay allowing this listing I wouldn’t have fallen for it
    4:40:27 AM rootsq8
    rootsq8
    in other words, please do not treat this as a “normal item” return where me and seller have to reach a solution together. i need you to force a return and a refund
    4:41:29 AM rootsq8
    please don’t force me to go on that site and add an update showing my conversations with you to show the world how eBay is protecting fradualent users and items
    4:42:01 AM rootsq8
    maybe you didnt check that site.. feel free to do so before you tell me that i have 7 days …etc.
    4:42:01 AM Polaris B.
    We are not protecting them, please file a claim after 7 days.
    4:42:05 AM rootsq8
    https://fightflashfraud.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/fake-500gb-sony-usb-flash-drive-listed-by-uk-ebay-seller/
    4:42:20 AM rootsq8
    claim of what???????? this is NOT a normal item
    4:42:25 AM rootsq8
    THIS IS A FRAUD
    4:42:40 AM rootsq8
    it shouldn’t take the normal course of a NORMAL LEGITIMATE item
    4:42:57 AM Polaris B.
    I understand but there is a process that we have to follow here on eBay, you will receive your refund after the case.
    4:43:13 AM rootsq8
    feel free to keep arguing with me.. this all will be posted to the world
    4:43:59 AM Polaris B.
    I’m not arguing with you, I’m just explaining that we have to follow the claim process here.
    4:44:01 AM rootsq8
    why can’t you enforce it now??? this is a fraud and ebay knows about it. It is ebay’s fault that listing slipped. Do you wanna cover for your screw up at my expense?
    4:44:23 AM rootsq8
    claim process applies only when it is a legitimate return or non receipt
    4:44:33 AM rootsq8
    if the issue is a fraud you should take action NOW
    4:44:38 AM rootsq8
    not now, IMMEDIATELY
    4:45:15 AM Polaris B.
    Even if you try to file a case now, you won’t be able to because the system won’t allow you.
    4:45:24 AM rootsq8
    DUH
    4:45:29 AM rootsq8
    HENCE I AM TALKING TO YOU NOW
    4:45:37 AM rootsq8
    you are a HUMAN being not a machine right?
    4:46:52 AM rootsq8
    if you care about ebay image and reputation you should escelate this to someone who may have more authority to do things now not to tell me to wait
    4:47:13 AM Polaris B.
    I’m afraid we have to follow the rules here.
    4:47:30 AM rootsq8
    believe me when the log of our conversation hits that blog now its gonna be ugly for you personally and for eBay.
    4:47:37 AM rootsq8
    Ok fine.
    4:47:49 AM rootsq8
    feel free to check this in 5 minutes to see your name
    4:47:52 AM rootsq8
    https://fightflashfraud.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/fake-500gb-sony-usb-flash-drive-listed-by-uk-ebay-seller/
    4:48:07 AM rootsq8
    bye
    4:48:10 AM Polaris B.
    We don’t have access to that, sorry.
    4:48:42 AM rootsq8
    well, your problem will be known to the whole world in few minutes. bye
    4:48:55 AM Polaris B.
    Thanks for using eBay Live Help! To close this chat window, go ahead and click on the “Exit” button whenever you’re ready.

    rootsq8

    March 27, 2010 at 1:53 AM

  10. When I looked at one of these listen on eBay, I lol’d. There’s no way they can fit 512GB in the flash drive yet. The flash density isn’t that high yet.

    Anon

    February 22, 2010 at 9:30 PM

  11. enough! I think I may close comments on old posts – this guy stopped selling them ages ago and I think he actually refunded buyers. However – if you see similar listings on ebay then report in here:

    https://fightflashfraud.wordpress.com/report-suspect-ebay-sellers/

    fightflashfraud

    January 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM

  12. @micro: true that we don’t get $100 value from a $10 but we don’t generally get $100 value from most of the big name manufacturers (especially Sony) either. Greedy bastards.

    Thank you fightflashfraud folks for your ongoing efforts.

    Cheers.

    Nunoff Yurbiz

    January 4, 2010 at 7:19 PM

  13. Had the same flash memory stick, I bought them from china for about $6 they even had 820 GB ones there too which were a bit more expensive. It was when I came back from china that I found out you can’t store anything in them and they are fake .

    Ray

    January 2, 2010 at 1:57 PM

  14. Hi Brasse – we know about this site. We removed the link as we don’t want people following it and ending up with fakes!

    fightflashfraud

    December 10, 2009 at 7:26 AM

  15. They are selling 500gb pendrive at this adress !
    Im glad i did not buy it .

    Brasse

    December 9, 2009 at 10:33 PM

  16. I agree that genuine drives last ages – I have had a bunch of 512mb drives that I have had for years and they are very reliable. I have never actually used a fake (though I bought a few without realising) but I imagine they would conk out fairly quickly.

    The problem is that most people, like me, do not realise when they first buy on ebay that there is such a thing as fake flash. I was lucky and read the sosfakeflash blog a couple of days after I had bought some fakes so I tested with h2testw as soon as they arrived. Sadly others are sometimes not so lucky.

    fightflashfraud

    December 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM

  17. Original pen drive: files will last for 5 to 10 years without any problems

    FAKE PENDRIVE: files will not last long… file gets corrupted, especially huge file transfer…

    i have an old and original 64mb and 128mb pendrive still alive and kicking..

    i also have fake ones… but most of them are dead already…

    if u want to save your files and docs… buy the original…

    if u dont really care about your documents and important files then buy fake… and dont blame anyone if you encounter a problem…

    ryanboy

    December 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

  18. Agreed.

    Julio Cesar

    November 30, 2009 at 6:10 PM

  19. Hl Julio,

    Unfortunately people have some very silly ideas about what you can get in China! They think the Chinese are far more technically advanced than they are and can do anything really cheaply!

    fightflashfraud

    November 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM

  20. To fightflashfraud – Unfortunatelly people learns at the worst way as possible. I told him about this pen drive size, big storage, little price. He must heard I Believe In Miracles (Ramones). LOL.

    Julio Cesar

    November 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

  21. To Julio – There is no doubt whatever that they are fake – Sony don’t sell flash drives bigger than 16GB.

    fightflashfraud

    November 30, 2009 at 1:26 PM

  22. My boss has traveled to China last month and bought a couple pen drives Sony 500Gb. The drives do not format. I’m convinced it’s fake.

    Julio Cesar

    November 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM

  23. How true, Micro

    fightflashfraud

    November 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM

  24. “But as soon as these chinese ventured… they had to crash prices..”
    Unfortunately the Chinese venture does not encompass quality, nor safety and certainly not longevity, if you buy a $10 Chinese product you do NOT get a $100 product’s reliability, even though it may look the same so it’s really a case of choose your supplier but don’t complain when it fails, because you will have NO ONE to complain too.

    Genuine manufacturers have a name to protect, the Chinese back street only have profit, next year or even next month, they will be in another game in another street.

    Micro

    November 27, 2009 at 5:27 PM

  25. Hi Guys,
    Quite an intresting discussion. I saw tons of these chinese usb pen drives in Palika bazar, Cannaught Place, Delhi.
    They were available as low as Rs. 250/-..

    I had a huge temptation of buying one..but did not feel like throwing money..

    But one thing is for sure, these chinese companies are keeping these biggies like Sony, Philips…. etc in chk by selling dirt cheap technology.
    DVD / MP3 players were being sold at huge margins by these biggies..
    But as soon as these chinese ventured… they had to crash prices..

    The same shall happen with technologies like blue ray etc..

    Neerad

    November 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM

  26. A person gift me this, on the box write 880Gb and when u connected to usb show the 850Gb but when u copy data only copy 3Gb on it. u can’t format this.
    more important things was 850Gb with Fat32 format!!!!
    if any one see the flash have fat32 format with extra size it was fake.

    Moridi

    November 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM

  27. Hi andie,
    Comes as no surprise to us!

    fightflashfraud

    October 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM

  28. i bought one while i was in china. and guess what, it is not 500gb.

    andie

    October 14, 2009 at 11:19 AM

  29. I think one of the key messages about the statement about 500GB flash drives never existing is being missed.

    500GB along with 120GB, 250GB are “odd ball” sizes and not currently associated with any flash drives. These sizes when used in the context of flash memory drives are key indicators of “fake flash drives”.

    For example 120GB is the size of a hard drive. This was the drive in a IPOD classic.

    Yes in a few years a manufacture will produce a 512GB flash drive, and it will contain multiple flash chips (4 x 128GB or 8 x 64GB). A drive with multiple chips is not unusual – most of the current flash controllers support multiple memory chips.

    ITGuy

    October 7, 2009 at 4:53 AM

  30. Thanks for adding the paragraphs in, it wasnt a particularly thought out comment and I didnt expect people to be having issues reading it. The only point I was trying to make is that 500GB+ is technically possible but you wont find a genuine one on ebay or anywhere else for that matter, yet.

    Also, i forgot to mention that its not a matter of higher capacity chips, although this would obviously work, i believe the current direction is the method of connecting memory and to serially connect and address more memory even if using more of the same capacity chips. I realise now that this is beyond the scope of this article and your point of the fake flash memory is totally valid and I happily support you 100%.

    The only issue I had was with the not technically possible aspect, I realise now that this is all you need to say to the none technically minded to get your point noticed, but to us more technical people just makes it look like its a random person have a rant! Hope this clears things up as I do believe your doing a good job!

    Chris Smith

    October 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM

  31. Hi Chris,

    I have added some paragraph breaks in your first comment to make it more readable! Please use paragraph breaks when you make comments longer than three or four sentences as it is almost impossible for most people to read solid blocks of text easily.

    It may surprise you to learn that most of the core members of the frankeflash project are also people who have worked in IT for over 15 years. We do know what we are talking about. We do know that higher capacity flash drives than are currently available will reach the market eventually. We know about the higher capacity chips under development. We know a lot more than you think!

    However, our blogs are not written for IT professionals – they are written for Jo Public buying flash memory on ebay! We would only confuse people if we talked about experimental work and what we are likely to see in the future.

    We just write about the here and now – what is technically possible for a flash memory item you can buy as a consumer – not experimental stuff!

    fightflashfraud

    October 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM

  32. Further to my above comment, to prove the theory thats it is possible to have a 500gb flash drive, plug 2 256gb flash drives into a usb hub, put it in a box. You can make it appear as a single drive by fancy driver setup. I can remember when people said 3.0ghz cpus werent technically possible to go faster as the heat production was hard to dissipate, bring on another core as we have today! Come on people, just think!!

    Chris Smith

    October 6, 2009 at 4:31 PM

  33. Why all you people are saying its not technically possible I cant understand, you clearly arent technical. They dont exist in the main stream and also wont be available at the prices people are trying to sell them for on ebay, but they are technically possible and WILL be available to the public before long.

    The OP is correct with everything else they say, but people have to bear in mind, technology advances are not available to the public the minute they are developed, so to think anyone on here can say something isnt technically possible is just making them look rather not technical themselves. Im prepared to bet most of the things that are technically possible, you wouldnt be aware of anyway, why would you know?

    Ive worked in the IT industry with regards to design and development of products for the past 15 years and could shock you with what is possible. Main point is over 300gb in flash memory becomes an issue so is not publically available and companies like sony etc dont sell such a product to the public at this time so the ones one ebay are clearly a fake. Ive seen a lot myself, hence the curiocity if anyone else had noticed and bringing me to this comments box.

    Also to the guy who bought a 250gb flash drive for $10, all i can think of to say it your talking bollocks, the array of storage chips would cost more than that to produce in any country, even in high volume orders. Also, what makes anyone think china are in any way more advanced than any other country?

    Yes they make the majority of the chips etc, but thats because they will work for peanuts, not due to them being more technically advanced. They impliment their technology relatively well, but speak to someone in china and find out how reliable their stuff is, basically, unless its designed out of china and just made there then its generally not reliable one bit.

    Chris Smith

    October 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM

  34. Si usted ordenó 500GB unidades flash que estaban siendo engañados. Reclamar un reembolso de inmediato!

    fightflashfraud

    September 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM

  35. Recientemente e ordenado 10 USB sony 500gb, aun no las e recibido… pero bajo los comentarios anteriores… me parece que me han timado

    Jaime

    September 27, 2009 at 8:54 PM

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  37. Hi, everyone.

    Of course we all already expect those flash drives to not work but we still buy them because we humans love to be fooled… by our own foolish expectations.

    I can tell better than the 500GB unit. I just bough a 880GB super Sony Micro Vault bloody fake 🙂

    The people at the stores are smart enough and the scam is well prepared because I asked the pendrives to be tested (basic transfer files and then test) and all worked well.
    Obviously it´s not working well anyone once at home 🙂

    As for those who express their opinion on technical reaons, please always remember that people love to dream and we had already enough history in computer´s universe as to know sometimes companies do not offer max capacity to the final user (most of the time for the sake of stability and reliability).
    (Hey, overclocking started somewhere, didn´t it?)

    Anyway, funny story.

    As a matter of fact: Do Not Trust Chinese Product´s Quality.
    China is the land of the Illusion. Period.

    (For those who think I may be racist or something I´ll say clearly that I am fond of Asia and travel there constantly. The fact that China does not offer quality and rather fools people as much as possible is just a fact)

    Jean

    Jean

    August 25, 2009 at 3:53 AM

  38. Thanks for the information Gov, have now put a post up about the seller

    fightflashfraud

    August 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM

  39. To Siddharth

    Sorry Siddharth, there is no such thing as a 500GB usb penstick flash drive. Does not exist. If you check sony’s site you willl not see anything like this. You might like to see the http://flashdrivefacts.wordpress.com/ site. See the Sony fakes. Also have a look at the guides section. You will find a link to Sony’s position on what they make, in fact they posted a guide on eBay to warn people.

    Also have a look at http://flashdrivefacts.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/kingston-technologies-releases-dt300-256gb-usb-flash-drive-to-market-biggest-usb-flash-drive-in-the-world/

    Sorry but the largest available usb flash drive penstick is 256 GB and make sure to look at the price tag!

    The rest is nonsence. There is no high tech secret FAB facility that is able to out do the brand names. LOL! China manufactures, it does not inovate, at least not at this point. If you want to see the catologue of fakes please look at http://flashdrivefacts.wordpress.com/category/brands-flash-devices/counterfeits-sony/

    When in doubt, visit the manufactures site! see what they offer. You can always send them an email asking about what they make and what the largest real size on the market is.

    Sigh! You have no idea Siddharth, just how tired the members of the FrankenFlash Project are in answering on this subject. InspectorTech says you should take your usb penstick apart and decode the chips. See the http://fixfakeflash.wordpress.com/ for more information on the subject. Sadly, the team has yet to see one of these fakes have a true capacity of more than 512 mb.

    To Everyone

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 500GB USB FLASH DRIVE PENSTICK! If you are foolish enough to buy one on eBay or else where, suffer the consequences!

    Has mankind landed on Mars? Please do your homework and do not become a victim. When in doubt write to the manufacturer! Get your facts straight or end up a victim pounding on the doors of SOSFakeFlash for help. The choice is yours….

    kittyfireflash

    August 5, 2009 at 7:04 AM

  40. Well Yes guys. There is an obvious problem with these labelled pen drives.
    They do work fine on 1 PC, provided the data and host are from same location (same PC).
    It also varies on OS to OS. Win XP plays my data alright from my “Kingston 500 GB pen drive” but Vista faces problems.
    Also the File System in it is exFAT which is found less and functions well with Windows 7 only.

    If you intend to backup your data, it will work fine, provided you do not use it on any other system.

    But dunno why, there is a peculiar folder lock on it. You can delete the files and all sorts of contents in the folders, but not the folder itself.

    Siddharth

    August 5, 2009 at 6:28 AM

  41. Hey ,Tascam424 if you believe your drive is so good just try coping your 130GB of songs on another computer and see how many song still plays and how many of them are corrupted .try some big files also as some dvd of 4.5 gb copy them to your pendrive and retrieve them in some other pc. please post your results, so that we all can learn a bit about the amazing capabilities of china.

    Kunal

    August 1, 2009 at 12:13 PM

  42. To Tascam424

    You have an amazing story. Every company who manufactures usb flash drives will want to see that $10 usb flash drive branded under the Sony name to have a look at it!

    Is there a secret manufacturing Fab in China with the secret “Know How” to produce a 256GB flash drive as a penstick? If so it is a deep secret. And if it could be produced for such a cheap cost, remember that the seller in the market stall also wanted a little profit too, then why has this facility not taken the world by storm?

    China mainly produces. Innovation is only just starting, it is growing and they are definately making great leaps forward. The design of flash chips and specifications, is not like manufacturing toasters. It is extremely complex and costly. The major issue for nand chips to be used in a usb pen drive is physical size. Efforts are being made to reduce them but it is experimental and costly. Currently the success at 32GB and 64GB is mixed. The most “stable” are 16GB usb flash drives at for now. The 128GB is by special order only from Kingston.

    We aren’t argueing so much as stating the current facts on technology. There are members working in the project with a good grasp of technology. They should, as they work in IT. A few are dinasaurs with knowledge that spans over 3 decades.

    Tascam424, we ask you to take your $10 usb flash drive that holds an amazing 130GB of files down to your local televison station and have the local news report it in operation for the world to see! When we see the story break, we too will believe what we see in action.

    YOu could make a great deal of money – as every major manufacturing company will be lining up to bid on your usb flash drive!

    FlashChips

    July 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM

  43. I found it very interesting, to see how many experts there are on here … Fact of the matter is, i am no expert but i picked up a 256 Gig pen drive in China in 2008 on a market stall for somewhere in the region of $10 USD. It was branded Sony, although most likely fake. It raised my suspicions so much that i thought for $10 it’s worth it just to ease my curiosity, although i was pretty certain it had been labelled wrongly and was actually 256 MB. Anyway almost a year on and i have in excess of 35000 Mp3’s & CDG on it, clocking up close to 130 Gig. OK so i can’t prove that it will hold 256 but it certainly holds 130, and i have been using it without, problems for almost a year running Karaoke and Disco’s from Virtual DJ.
    Kingston have since released a 128G clocking in at around $500 USD, so i believe i did quite well for $10. No doubt, many experts will come on and say that it’s not possible, as did the guy in the Sony shop in UK, but i believe what i see. Anyway who’s to say that the Chinese just aren’t ready to fully share their technological advances. Good luck arguing about it

    Tascam424

    July 1, 2009 at 2:51 PM

  44. To Antonios

    I don’t mean to be rude, but if you are in the hardware storage business, I quake!

    Either do you HOMEWORK on what is available or find another job, please.

    If there is a usb flash drive at 500GB it is a really well kept secret! Sony, Toshiba, Hynix, Samsung and sandisk will want to hear from you as they are no where near developing any usb flash chips with that capacity!

    In the meantime, I hope nobody will hire you to look after a single bit or byte!

    You scare me with a comment like that!

    InspectorTech

    May 31, 2009 at 6:42 AM

  45. You are wrong to think the drives are ok, There is no such thing as a 500GB USB flash drive of this sort. Period. Not technically possible.

    fightflashfraud

    May 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM

  46. fightflashfraud, It think you need to relax a bit – I just got 2 of them and they work fine – they are not Sony but I’m in Hardware Storage business and I can tell you they work and they are really fast as well. I doubt they are original though – microvault does not have such large drives.

    Antonios

    May 29, 2009 at 6:18 PM

  47. Kalil,
    It is not a case of may be right. I am right! At present the largest capacity of USB flash drive available is 64GB – and these cost over £100 (GBP). A USB flash drive of 500GB or over is simply not technically possible. A flash drive of only 4GB capacity can hold a huge number of files – unless (like me) you store very large video files. Files will appear to write to the drive even after you exceed the true capacity of the flash drive. It is only once you try to use files you saved after exceeding the real capacity that the problems begin. Suddenly you find empty folders, corrupted files and sometimes the drive dies completely. The quickest and easiest way to check large capacity drives is with h2testw.

    fightflashfraud

    May 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM

  48. @fightflashfraud, maybe you are right but this friend has already used it, he has used a big size of this capacity, I don’t know how much but I saw a lot of files on it. Sure, before I decide to buy this one or no, I will try to store on it a respectful size (maybe something like 50GB or more..) Who knows!!

    Khalil

    May 25, 2009 at 1:00 AM

  49. To Khalil – do not buy your friend’s flash drive. Not only is it fake Sony, it is fake capacity – these are small capacity drives, often less than 1GB. Anyone trying to store more than the real capacity ends up losing most or all of their files. Get your friend to test it with the free program h2testw.

    fightflashfraud

    May 24, 2009 at 8:31 AM

  50. A friend mine own the same, he got it from shanghai and I have plugged it into my pc, it was detected fastly and I have checked the size and you won’t believe, the full size is 625GB.

    I know it’s fake sony product, cause I never similar sny product, but in my country we have a lot of this kind of illegal stuff (it’s hard to buy the originals), but I’m wondering about the quality of this product. Maybe I buy this flash drive, and I will try to inform you about it..

    Regards

    Khalil

    May 24, 2009 at 3:44 AM

  51. To Shawn

    Yes we have had reports of these being available in China. One in a very large electronics store in a shopping mall in Shanghai. Have a look at this comment:

    http://flashdrivefacts.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/500gb-sony-microvault-counterfeit-fake-usb-flash-drive-model-numbers-usm4024-usm500024/#comment-50

    Go through the comments and you will find no such UPC available. Check the sony guide at the flashdrivefacts site go to one of the links at the bottom you will be taken to a statement posted on eBay from Sony – they have never manufactured drives at this size. No company has. They can’t. The current largest possible usb flash drive is 64GB. Any size higher does not exist.

    kittyfireflash

    March 31, 2009 at 3:51 AM

  52. Well i saw one today with my own eyes and would not have belived it if I had not. It look just like the picture and was bought in china well my buddy was on vaction there. They got 2 of them for 65.00 us dollars there. So they do make it, but maybe not for say in USA yet?

    Shawn

    March 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM


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