Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

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Seller chenwubang88 lists very suspect looking drive on ebay

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chenwubang88a This flash drive from chenwubang88 is saying something to me. Can you guess what it is saying? It is saying fake, fake, fakity-fake!

UPDATE (11/05/09)
For those of you new to our blogs – suspect flash items like this (which had not yet been proved to be fake when this post was originally published on April 21st) are usually first reported here on fightflashfraud – often in very short posts. At the time this post was first published we had no evidence to prove that this seller was selling fake capaciity memory, though we were fairly certain this was the case.

We now have the proof that chenwubang88 is a seller of fake flash. Items which we can prove are fake are listed on sosfakeflash. We need your help to gather proof against fake flash sellers. If you bought a flash drive from this (or any other) seller on ebay please test it with h2testw and report in to sosfakeflash if it fails the test – then we can issue alerts stating that the drive is fake (rather than suspect) and add the information to the database. Since the database was started it has been easier for ebayers to get refunds – but unless you add your info it could all fall down! We need you to help us keep the pressure on ebay and paypal.

Written by fightflashfraud

April 21, 2009 at 4:10 PM

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  1. To Kelly Merkel,

    You might find the information in this post helpful:

    http://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/trouble-with-a-paypal-claim-filed-a-dispute-useful-information/

    fightflashfraud

    December 3, 2009 at 6:45 AM

  2. Daniel D – I have been told to return an item to a fake address too. It just has the town name and its in the USA, but the seller is from China.
    You never told us what your next step was after you got the email from PayPal telling you to return it.

    ???

    Kelly Merkel

    December 3, 2009 at 2:40 AM

  3. GREAT NEWS! I contacted eBay after I got the bad news from paypal and the customer support agent thought that paypal’s response was odd. So she contacted paypal once more on my behalf and got them to give me my money back!! The minute she told me that the money was in my account, i checked it and there it was! Restored some of my faith in Paypal and eBay!

    Daniel D

    June 8, 2009 at 7:25 PM

  4. This is the test i ran on the memory stick. What does it mean?
    ————————————————–
    The media is likely to be defective.
    648.8 MByte OK (1328894 sectors)
    15.1 GByte DATA LOST (31815938 sectors)
    Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
    0.5 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 1 sector)
    15.1 GByte corrupted (31815937 sectors)
    0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
    First error at offset: 0x00000000230ac6d0
    Expected: 0xec5a2dce023f17d0
    Found: 0xec5a2dce023d17d0
    H2testw version 1.3
    Reading speed: 9.97 MByte/s
    H2testw v1.4

    Daniel D

    June 7, 2009 at 11:19 PM

  5. If you paid by credit card the card company could do a chargeback to retreive the money from Paypal. Otherwise you could try ebay – if they kicked the seller off they know he is a fraudster.

    fightflashfraud

    June 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

  6. Well here it is. Won the battle, but not the war 😦
    ————————————-
    After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
    Complaint described below.

    We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
    from the seller’s account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
    of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

    Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
    question if they become available in the seller’s account in the future and
    will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
    issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
    Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
    action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
    the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
    it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.
    —————————————

    I guess this is my dead end. Unless anyone has any suggestions?

    Daniel D

    June 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM

  7. Hi Daniel,
    Paypal tend to say this at first – these emails are written by computer programs not people – the worst thing you can possibly do is return the drive, apart from anything else I beleive it is actually illegal to send fraudulent items through the post. If you send it the seller will probably say they never received it – usually the address provided is false, and it looks like the address you got was incomplete anyway.

    What usually happens if buyers return drives is that they lose their refund as well as the physical evidence of the fraud (the drive itself) – press for a full refund without returning the drive. One of the things I did was offer to hand the fake in to my local police. If you look at the refund advice on Sosfakeflash this should help you deal with paypal.

    fightflashfraud

    May 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM

  8. This is the B.S I got back from Paypal regarding my claim.

    You may be eligible for a refund on this PayPal transaction.

    To qualify for a refund, you must return the item to the seller, in the
    same condition you received it, within 10 calendar days of the date of this
    email. You are responsible for the cost of returning the merchandise.

    We may not be able to give you a full refund — the refund amount is based
    on the terms of our buyer protection programs. Please review the buyer
    protection programs in our User Agreement to determine if you would like to
    pursue this claim.

    Next steps:

    Step 1 –
    Return the item to the seller, at the following address:

    19

    545621
    China

    PayPal requires online proof of shipment. Approved shippers include the
    United States Postal Service, UPS, and FedEx. For the complete list of
    approved shippers, visit our Security Center.Once you have returned the
    item, please log in to your PayPal account within 10 calendar days of
    receipt of this email and provide tracking information that can be verified
    online.
    PayPal strongly recommends using a shipping service that provides online
    tracking.
    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PP-709-805-615

    We must receive this information within 10 calendar days. Failure to
    provide this information will result in automatic cancellation of your case.

    Once we have been able to verify that the item was shipped to the seller,
    the refund will be issued to you.

    If you wish to resolve this issue directly with the seller, you may cancel
    this claim at any time.

    You can review the details of this claim at:

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PP-709-805-615

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    Sincerely,

    Protection Services Department

    PayPal
    Buyer’s Transaction ID: 51Y730312S8826743

    You may be eligible for a refund on this PayPal transaction.

    To qualify for a refund, you must return the item to the seller, in the
    same condition you received it, within 10 calendar days of the date of this
    email. You are responsible for the cost of returning the merchandise.

    We may not be able to give you a full refund — the refund amount is based
    on the terms of our buyer protection programs. Please review the buyer
    protection programs in our User Agreement to determine if you would like to
    pursue this claim.

    Next steps:

    Step 1 –
    Return the item to the seller, at the following address:

    19

    545621
    China

    PayPal requires online proof of shipment. Approved shippers include the
    United States Postal Service, UPS, and FedEx. For the complete list of
    approved shippers, visit our Security Center.Once you have returned the
    item, please log in to your PayPal account within 10 calendar days of
    receipt of this email and provide tracking information that can be verified
    online.
    PayPal strongly recommends using a shipping service that provides online
    tracking.
    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PP-709-805-615

    We must receive this information within 10 calendar days. Failure to
    provide this information will result in automatic cancellation of your case.

    Once we have been able to verify that the item was shipped to the seller,
    the refund will be issued to you.

    If you wish to resolve this issue directly with the seller, you may cancel
    this claim at any time.

    You can review the details of this claim at:

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PP-709-805-615

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    Sincerely,

    Protection Services Department

    PayPal

    Now what do I do??????

    Daniel D

    May 26, 2009 at 7:57 PM

  9. Test the item to find the true capacity. Read http://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/h2testw-14-gold-standard-in-detecting-usb-counterfeit-drives/ and down load the software. Save the results as your evidence.

    You can also, if you are very gentle, open the item, decode the flash chip, search the internet for the real capacity of the chip, photograph the chip and submit as evidence for your claim. No one can deny

    a) test results
    b) Photographic evidence of the actual chip used in storage.

    Visit InspectorTech’s site and look at the flash chip decoding information.

    PS If you plan to open, be careful and gentle!

    kittyfireflash

    May 21, 2009 at 6:55 AM

  10. Guess what?? I tried to file a paypal dispute against the seller and it said the seller was unable to repsond to my dispute, so the the dispute was escalated to a claim and paypal will be reveiwing it. I hope others come out and speak against this kind of fraud!

    Daniel D

    May 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM

  11. I recently bought the 16G from this user but have not received it yet. When I logged on to ebay today I noticed that his account is no longer registered. Paypal dispute here I come!!! What info can I give them to prove that these drives are fake????

    Daniel D

    May 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM

  12. I was bougt this item, but thet is fake.

    Jan Holcik

    May 11, 2009 at 8:33 AM


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