Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

The authors of this blog want to elimnate flash fraud on Ebay

eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – PayPal Demands – A Buyer’s Nightmare

eBay and Paypal frequently demand victims of fake flash purchases on eBay return the merchandise to eBay fake flash sellers of MP Players, USB Flash Drives and memory cards as a condition of refund. They aid in criminal activity. In most countries this means forcing a member to violate the laws found in most countries that prohibit using the local postal system to send or receive fake and counterfeit goods. Some eBay members are not aware of this. Others are but because eBay and PayPal refuse to listen and as they have suffered a serious financial loss attempt to examine the possibility of returning the items. What happens to eBay members when then return the items? Do they get a refund? What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back?

A recent case involving eBay Seller worldshiping12699 and eBay Buyer BarryX is presented to demonstrate the problems.

What happens to eBay members when they return items to fake flash sellers, do they get a refund?

Some do get a refund. They have to pay the expenses for postage out of their own pocket. They are not refunded for the shipping charges for receding the item or for returning it. Is this fair? The sellers they send back to, do not stop listing items when the member submitted evidence of false capacity. Instead these sellers continued to list and sell. In some cases they accelerated the number of daily listings, racing against the fake flash clock. No matter how many negatives in feedback they continued with both eBay and PayPal sheltering them under their powerseller status. What happens to the fake returned? It is recycled. Sold to the next eBay buyer.

Most people do not get a refund when they sent an item back. Why? They receive bad return addresses or the seller simply claims they did not receive it.

When an eBayer paid additional postal fees to ensure a tracking number, what happens? Frequently these sellers upon having funds removed from their accounts retaliated issuing an unpaid item strike. against the buyer. Vindictive. Nasty.

First the eBay buyer, gets a fake flash item, often losing important data for good. Second the eBay buyer finds both eBay and PayPal siding with the seller and forcing them to return the item at their own expense. Third, the eBay buyer never hears again from the seller, losing the evidence and now the additional fees for returning the items or the eBay buyer finally receiving only a refund for the bid price (no shipping refund) is now faced with trying to straighten out an unpaid item stike. This is eBay’s enhanced buying experience for buying nand based flash technology that is actually false capacity. A very dark side of eBay and PayPal is revealed for the buyer.

What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back, what address?

Fake flash sellers on eBay often have many addresses. The one used for sending often is not the one for returning the item. The one on file for the seller with eBay is often not the one on file with Paypal. Confusing? Yes!

Take the recent case of a victim of fake flash seller worldshiping12699 verses BarryX.

worldshiping12699 is registered in the United States, to one:

Kevin Burgon

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

When victim BarryX recieved the item, the return address was:

XU GANG
G/F , BLOCK 26,428 Yuen
Konk Tsuen, Yuen Long
Hong Kong

When the victim contacted the seller id worldshiping12699 he was told the return address was:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

PayPal ordered Victim Barry to return the item to:

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

What address is the real address to return the fake flash usb drive to?

PayPal is ordering the victim to send the item to a restaurant. The address:

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

is for London Fish & Chips

LondonFishChips

It is not the first time an American Fake Flash seller has used a restaurant address, the last one SOSFakeFlash received was a for a kebab restaurant. Now Fish and Chips is being used as target or is that actually a side order on the American Fake Flash menu?

The item appears to have been sent to the victim from here:

Sent1

Sent

The return address worldshiping12699 wants the victim to return the item to using the zip code is:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

SellerWantsReturnedTo1

SellerWantsReturnedTo2AddressAppears

A university? Is digitally altering flash drive chips on the curriculum? It doesn’t make sense.

So which address is the right one? Can you see the dilemma and challenges faced by victims?

BarryX in definitely confused and can not get a proper answer.

PayPal thunders “Return or no refund!”

Nice for Barry. Should he just put the addresses in a hat and blindly select one to return his false capacity usb drive to? Would that give him a 33% chance for a refund? We doubt it will be that high.

It may interest you to know in the case of BarryX, Kingston confirmed the usb flash drive he received from worldshiping12699 was a counterfeit.

Also that in a later communication worldshiping12699 wrote:

Dear BarryX:

The Item was real and brand new.
Ebay has a lot of fraudulent activities. Don’t threat me.
If you want a full refund, you need to return the item to the sender
I try our best to make my customer satisfied.

We would like to offer the more partial refund ($25.00) and you don’t need to return the item. Also please first change the feedback, otherwise I will charge you $15 for restocking fee. If you want get the full refund, we require you to return the item to the following address which is our drop shipper’s address:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

The international shipping cost is very expensive. We recommend you accept this offer to save both of us time and money.
Any question, please let me know.

Thank you

worldshiping12699 has in engaged in exhortion and is in violation of eBay policy. A seller might charge a restocking fee, but for a counterfeit? Also the restocking fee is only charged IF feedback is not changed from negative to positive. By doing this ebay fake flash seller worldshiping12699 has trapped himself with his own words.

The address confusion remains. For a full refund BarryX must return to the sender, but the sender was XU GANG. Then in the same email BarryX is instructed to return to the drop shipper, Sun jianzhong.

In demanding these fake or counterfeit false capacity flash based devices be returned PayPal is in fact ordering the eBay victim to violate postal laws.

With the number of different addresses, victims have little hope of determining which one might just be the right one to return the “crime to the criminal“.

Everything seems designed to ensure the fake flash victim gives up, so that eBay, fake flash sellers and PayPal may keep the members money.

People should never use their bank account funds to finance the purchase of these items, instead ensure a credit card is used. This gives you added protection and can make getting a refund simpler. Credit card companies are usually more interested in your business and protecting you than we think eBay or Pay pal ever will.

We advise everyone who buys flash memory items to test them with the free program h2testw irrespective of where they were purchased – otherwise you run the risk of data loss and corruption.

Report your fake if testing confirms you have purchased fake capacity flash memory on ebay.

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  1. I have been defrauded by Ebay and PAypal more than once. Simply do not use them. Ebay is WAY down in traffic these days. I suspect for this reason. Paypal is the worst. They seem to invite fraud. Buyers can say anything is “fake” and get refunds. Yet when slightly organized scams liek this one turn up, Paypal seems to do the opposite and work with them to steal from you. Boht Paypal and Ebay are impossible to contact. They hire monkeys and change their own rules to suit whatever screws you the best. So why bother with them? Looks like many people have figured this out.

    Last guy to screw me on Ebay/Paypal was a U.S. lawyer. Its not just guys in China. Lots of jerks know how to steal with Ebay/Paypal. Fake refund claims are the biggest scam. Paypal always gives buyers a refund. UNLESS Paypal knows its organzied fraud. THen they will not give a refund because they know they have zero cahnce of recovering that money. They cover their ass by screwing normal people.

    Tim

    May 17, 2011 at 3:04 PM

  2. i was “victim” of fake usb sticks and after a couple of mails and one dispute now i have 2 usb sticks and in the same time all my money back

    virginia

    June 9, 2010 at 10:39 AM

  3. Sickening is the right word rj. As for a paypal employee apparently selling DVD’s that are not authentic, I can hardly get my breath!

    If you have proof against the seller (and ebay/paypal have a shred of decency at all) then reporting the matter should result in severe disciplinery action against the employee at the very least.

    If they were really honest they’d call in the police and have the employee prosecuted for such a breach of ebayers’ trust. However, I doubt very much that such action will be taken. After all they only sweep fraud by others under the carpet – so what can we really expect if their own employees indulge in it?

    Here is the ebay policy about employees:

    ………………………………………………

    On occasion, members may find themselves trading with or reading content from an eBay member who is also an employee of an eBay company. When participating on eBay company Web sites (for example, eBay, Half.com, etc.), eBay employees must follow certain rules.

    Please note that eBay Inc., its subsidiaries, affiliates and joint ventures, do not sponsor or endorse employees’ buying or selling through the eBay company Web sites.

    Further, eBay employees publishing Community content (reviews, guides, blog entries, articles, and product descriptions) as members are speaking for themselves and not on behalf of eBay Inc., its subsidiaries, affiliates and joint ventures.

    Violations of this policy by eBay employees may result in a range of actions, including:

    Listing cancellation

    Limits on account privileges

    Account suspension

    Forfeit of eBay fees on canceled listings

    Loss of PowerSeller status

    ……………………………………………..

    Nothing there about informing the police if employees commit fraud. No mention suspending the employee from their job pending investigation and possible termination of their employment either.

    Why doesn’t this surprise me?

    fightflashfraud

    June 24, 2009 at 12:51 PM

  4. This article is so true it’s sickening. It’s not only flash drives, it all merchandise! I was recently sent a counterfeit P90X dvd set that I ordered on eBay from one Holly Kwasa, seller ID:atienoatis. When I discovered it was fake, I contacted the seller. She stated she would only give a refund if I sent the item back first. You mean to tell me I have to fork over money to send back illegal merchandise….and possibly not even get a refund? The kicker is, the seller works for the PayPal fraud department!!! Yes you heard right! She even put a disclaimer on her listing stating she was required to reveal she works for PayPal via eBay policy! She works in the PayPal fraud department and she’s actively selling multiple counterfeit items! Unbelievable…

    rj

    June 24, 2009 at 7:38 AM

  5. Fed up with fraud on Ebay&PayPal

    Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

    May 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM


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