Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

The authors of this blog want to elimnate flash fraud on Ebay

Obvious fake 16GB Kingston listed by ebayer registered in China

with 64 comments

haifter

Registered on ebay China, seller haifter has listed the very obvious fake capacity drive above. Hundreds of these have been sold by fraudsters on ebay. As this drive is fake we exepect the other models shown below will also prove to be fake capacity.

haifter

If you bought a flash drive or media player from this seller test it immediately with h2testw.

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

UPDATE 11/06/09
As of today haifter has sold over a thousand fake flash drives and MP players since launching his fake flash operation on ebay just under a month ago. Here are his sales figures to 11/06/09:

Items Sold: 94.52%
Total Value Sold: £9289.66
Total Value Shipping: £0.00
Total Value Not Sold: £82.26
Sold Item Fees: £357.20
Unsold Item Fees: £21.10

If haifter’s items had been genuine he would have made quite a loss, but as they are fake he has made a reasonable profit.
Ebayers – wake up and smell the coffee – you cannot buy real flash memory items at the prices haifer is selling at -only fake capacity ones! Never leave feedback before fully testing such items whoever the seller is!

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Written by fightflashfraud

May 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

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  1. I ordered a Kingston memory Flash card a while back for a customer of mine from Ebay. Everything turned out to be fine, but now I know that theres alot of fakes out there kicking about. Thanks ever so much for bringing this to my attention

    Craig

    July 11, 2011 at 6:29 PM

  2. bigdawgbaker

    This was his reply to me when I informed him his hacked 2gb green and white Kingstons were not 16gb.

    “WHAT! Nothing fake about these at all. Report all you like.”

    Gordon Ellis

    July 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

  3. lovedave0345

    I contacted this seller who claims his 16gb Data Traveler G2 drives are 100% genuine. I personally have doubts. Anyone who has bought a drive off this seller should get in touch with sosfakeflash with h2testw results to confirm.

    Gordon Ellis

    July 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM

  4. silviajune

    After making a loss on over 600 items including DS Lite stylus touch pens and screen protectors, silviajune has started marketing 16gb usb flash drives to rip customers off with including the old favourite silver and black we have become accustomed to.

    Gordon Ellis

    July 1, 2009 at 12:05 AM

  5. clare12374 warning

    Apparently 32gb drives made personally for their company, one in the form of haifter/zhongel silver and black model, generously being made available to us at a mere £24.99. Nearly half the price of most 32gb branded, genuine drives. Look familiar?

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/32GB-Flash-Memory-Stick_W0QQitemZ250455827588QQihZ015QQcategoryZ108982QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Gordon Ellis

    June 30, 2009 at 8:59 PM

  6. mplusonline

    A seller of 16gb Kingston Data Travelers G2 who seems to be able to supply them cheaper than any other sellers. The previous drives sold by this seller appear to be absolute bargains too if you believe what you see. Something not quite right here and worth keeping an eye on.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 30, 2009 at 7:39 PM

  7. Not only is it a 2GB advertised as 1GB but the description panel underneath describes it as a 4GB Sandisk

    Gordon Ellis

    June 29, 2009 at 9:19 PM

  8. The picture shows what should be a 2GB Kingston flash drive but the listing says a 1GB drive!

    I understand that both the 1GB and 2GB models in this range are now discontinued, as are the lower capacity Kingston drives. This seems a bit weird – usually people are trying to sell these as 16GB or above!

    Could it be that this seller landed with a load of outdated drives which failed programming to fake high capacities?

    Helen

    June 29, 2009 at 7:58 PM

  9. Hi Randy – I think you may be underestimating the lack of knowledge and/or foolishness of many ebay buyers.

    I have personally warned many ebay members who bought obviously fake flash items and (despite telling them about h2testw) had replies saying their item was ok and I should mind my own business – or (even more commonly) no response at all.

    The majority of people (unlike yourself) have little or no real knowledge about computers, electronics etc. They believe what the operating system shows and trust technology more than people!

    If only people really understood the truth – a computer is really little more than an abacus! It can’t think and only does what the 1’s an 0’s it is programmed with (by a person) tell it to do.

    fightflashfraud

    June 28, 2009 at 9:29 PM

  10. Is there a particular publication read by stockholders where they could be informed of this problem with ebay?

    Gordon Ellis

    June 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM

  11. EBay and Paypal appear to be more interested in etting their commission on the sale, which amounts to approximately 10% of the sale. They don’t appear to be concerned about their customers. I don’t think they know who their customers are? Are they the sellers or buyers? The way they are currently acting is that the only customer they have is the seller.

    EBay needs to be reminded that the customer, in this case the buyers, are not always right, but they are never wrong. Which is how EBay is treating the buyers. Their customers opinions, spread by word and by their wallets become self-fulfilling and deserve to be heeded. So tell your friends etc about your Ebay and Paypal experiences.

    You cannot build a sustainable business if you cannot retain your customers base. I don’t think this is something EBay understands or it could be why they expand to new markets (countries).

    If EBay turns into a marketplace that resembles an flea market full of cheap goods and Imitation products then Ebay profits will fall and their stockholders will also be losing $ and leaving.

    Randy

    June 28, 2009 at 8:02 PM

  12. One thing’s for certain Gordon – Inspector Clouseau would do a better job of investigating fraud on ebay than ebay’s mythical “fraud investigation team” – what are they doing? Picking their noses and gazing at their navels?

    fightflashfraud

    June 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM

  13. Give the problem to one of Alan Sugar’s apprentices to solve?

    Gordon Ellis

    June 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM

  14. Exposing Fake Flash Solution.

    Get Simon Cowell to talk about it on either the X-Factor or Britain’s/America’s got talent. Alternatively, even though I loathe the programme, give it to the clowns in Big Brother to debate.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM

  15. Really the only true solutions that come to my mind are…

    1. Class-action lawsuit against eBay as an accessory to fraud. I don’t know the legal possibilities, but even just the publicity from a lawsuit might be enough to make them take notice.

    2. Exposé by 60 Minutes or Dateline or similar.

    It’s clear eBay isn’t willing to do anything substantive without major pressure or legal action. Clearly they want those fees more than they care about doing the right thing.

    wmt

    June 28, 2009 at 3:29 AM

  16. Two years later and nothing has changed (for the victims, that is).

    Nobody seems to be able to do anything about ebay and their inaction on this ongoing fraud.

    Twice after reporting items as fakes to ebay, the listings have been altered by simply dropping the brand name in the title. The rest of the description stayed exactly the same.

    It almost appears ebay is advising the seller of the fakes to do this rather than remove the listings.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 28, 2009 at 1:17 AM

  17. hadi fayad

    A friend of zhongel, haifter, opdoam possibly?

    Gordon Ellis

    June 28, 2009 at 1:04 AM

  18. I ran across this depressing info. Shows how much eBay cares about its members… this is nearly 2 years old!

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hacked-MP3-Players-Cause-eBay-Members-039-Revolt-71892.shtml

    wmt

    June 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM

  19. checkoutonline

    The price of the drives drew my attention. I have reported them to Kingston. I also took the liberty of reporting the GHD’s just in case. If one of the seller’s items are fake, the others could follow suit.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM

  20. looks to me as though checkoutonline is either cunning or clueless – if I have time I will try to find out which!

    fightflashfraud

    June 27, 2009 at 9:49 PM

  21. checkoutonline

    Looks like one to definitely avoid. Selling Data Traveler 150 in 16gb,32gb and 64gb forms

    Gordon Ellis

    June 27, 2009 at 7:56 PM

  22. One of the big problems we face in combatting this sort of fraud is the fact that most people who use computers these days have little underlying computer knowledge. They are unaware of the things that control what happens on their computer. They simply do not believe our warnings!

    I started using computers back in the days when PC users were faced with a black screen and the command prompt. This was around the time the first GUI (graphical user interface) appeared on the Apple Mac -the computer favoured by designers.

    I programmed my first PC with a menu system – almost unheard of then. Most people do not realise that in computing everything relies on programming.

    They are unaware that it is possible to program things in such a way as to mislead both the operating system and the user. Instead of trusting us they trust what their computer’s operating system tells them!

    If they do follow advice and test their drives they often fall prey to blackmail by the fraudster. They are frightened that leaving any sort of negative comment will adversely affect their ebay account. NOT SO!

    Please, please – if you are a fraud victim take the oppertunity to be a good citizen of the world and warn others about the fraudster!

    fightflashfraud

    June 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM

  23. You can rest assured wmt, that every item sold by haifter and zhongel is definitely of fake capacity. The Kingstons were definites from the outstart but the rest soon proved to be the same, including the mp3 players. I never got one reply from all the buyers I contacted confirming any item as genuine after testing. Quite a few believed they had the real thing and replied saying so. They obviously never tested. It was the same for haifter, zhongel and taoline2 buyers. Despite the number of people I contacted, very few left follow up feedback. I don’t know if it was because many did not know how to or were worried about appearances on their feedback profiles. I do appreciate the ones who did make the effort. There are a lot more than is obvious who got a refund.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 27, 2009 at 2:41 PM

  24. Good news/bad news on haifter being suspended.

    The problem is that when a seller is suspended, buyers can no longer leave feedback (it’s difficult to even view it), and the listings disappear from eBay — even for items you’ve purchased and may not have received, or are otherwise disputing!

    From personal experience I can attest that leaves a shafted buyer feeling very much out in the cold. And eBay will tell you little, citing the need to protect the member’s privacy, even if that member is a confirmed crook.

    The net effect is to help the crook cover his tracks as he beats a hasty retreat (probably prior to setting up a new user ID). I’m sure it also reduces the number of claims to Paypal as buyers just give up. How can you file a claim saying you didn’t get what you paid for when the item’s description is gone? Sigh.

    Anyway, I notified another 5 victims today, and received another reply and thanks from a victim from the last round of notifications.

    His drive was confirmed fake and was NOT one of the Kingston ripoffs. I believe it was the one in the upper left corner of the photo at the top of this page, i.e. the one with the light-blue circle and endcap. I can’t confirm, of course, because eBay has pulled the listings.

    wmt

    June 27, 2009 at 7:14 AM

  25. I contacted mjlakin initially after he had left positive feedback for haifter, zhongel and pandachinchin on fake 16gb drives bought from all three sellers.

    This was the message that eventually got a response from mjlakin despite about 4 previous messages advising him his drives were fakes from haifter and zhongel and not to try to sell them on.

    “Dear mjlakin,

    Can I please buy both these dodgy fake Kingstons and get us both arrested for committing criminal offences. I am a rich arab king and I will give you a million pounds for both if you send me a tenner and the dodgy kingstons. You have won the spanish lottery and I will give you millions of pounds if you send me another tenner. Just put in my paypal account and I will get back to you with further instructions. If you send me another tenner I can keep you out of jail. I will just say you are from Arabia too (let me do the talking)and we will get diplomatic immunity but this time Mel Gibson will not be there so we will get away. If we phone the A-Team they could help because the triads made you buy those dodgy kingstons to fund organised crime. They just want you to sell them to our corrupt politicians to make massive profit from them putting the costs on their expenses claims funded by the tax paying public. They will just lose them on buses and trains anyway and want to buy more”.

    This was the first response received from mjlakin

    “the item number for my usb pens and the number your after dont match up,”

    I replied with further advice and warnings of consequences and got this response:

    “oh right i didnt realised”

    I further mentioned about removing the other fakes for sale and about contacting his buyers to refund them and got this response:

    “ok thank you letting me know i hope it all get sorted soon”

    Despite all this, he carried on with listings until they were removed by ebay through pressure from Kingston. He obviously never bothered to contact buyers either. I made sure the first two were contacted and advised.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 27, 2009 at 3:47 AM

  26. Mjlakin in the money.

    Mjlakin has probably already got his refund from haifter and zhongel as well as extra from selling these fakes on. I advised him in detail at the time about how to claim his money back and also explained he would not have to return fake drives.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 9:42 PM

  27. Mjlakin selling fakes

    Mjlakin has just received a positive feedback for the sale of a fake kingston bought from either haifter or zhongel. He sold it on despite me informing him they were fakes. He had the opportunity to reclaim his money from zhongel and haifter but chose not to. I asked him to contact buyers to let them know. He replied saying he had not been aware. He carried on trying to sell the fakes until I reported it to Kingston and they had his listings removed.

    It would be of great help if someone could let the buyer of the fake kingston, ybaneza, know that he has just been purposefully ripped off by mjlakin to the tune of £18.00. I am not able to contact members at this time.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 9:35 PM

  28. HAIFTER SUSPENDED AT LAST

    Funny enough, I did get the return message from haifter in e-mail form but not in the ebay inbox. It just read as follows:

    can i help u
    cheers

    I did not get back to haifter as the rest of the message was either little rectangular boxes or chinese. I clicked the yellow respond tab but just the same chinese and boxes everywhere. (I thought it may translate back to english). I just felt a bit wary about going any further.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM

  29. Don’t hold out too much hope Gordon – this is a pretty standard email that is sent to anyone a suspended ebay member tries to contact. This means haifter tried to contact you but ebay blocked the message.

    Ebay is unbeleivably helpful!

    fightflashfraud

    June 26, 2009 at 8:39 PM

  30. EBAY ALERT ABOUT HAIFTER

    This a message I just received from ebay about haifter after I contacted haifter to ask if 2gb drive was all he had left. Seems like ebay are eventually listening to our complaints. It makes it clear to get in touch about items bought but not yet received.

    We can see that you’ve had contact with haifter through eBay recently.

    We’ve been looking into activity on this account and taken action if we needed to. To protect this member’s privacy, we can’t share any more details about their account.

    People sometimes misuse eBay accounts by sending emails from them. In these emails, they invite you to buy or sell outside eBay, or ask questions that have nothing to do with eBay. They do this in the hope that you’ll respond and give them your email address.

    We strongly recommend you treat emails from this member with caution and don’t respond if you hear from them again.

    Tips for safe trading on eBay

    Always complete your purchases on the eBay website – it’s the safest way to trade with other eBay members. Always make sure that your user ID is listed as the winning bidder on the ‘Item ended’ page before sending money for a purchase.

    If someone asks you to buy or sell an item outside eBay, we strongly recommend you ignore their request and report it to us. If you buy or sell outside eBay, you won’t be protected by our Feedback system and protection services.

    Keeping eBay a safe and reputable place to buy and sell is our top priority. To find out more about buying safely on eBay, open a new window on your browser and copy these links into it:

    http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/tp/isgw-fraud-non-ebay.html
    http://pages.ebay.co.uk/safetycentre/buying_safely.html

    If you’ve sent payment for an item but not received it, please let us know. You can contact us from any eBay Help page.

    As always, if you have any questions, please get in touch.

    Regards,

    eBay Trust & Safety

    H56756

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 8:13 PM

  31. Hi Gordon,

    It looks as though shady-aftermath07 actually sold six of these – I am just about to publish a short post about this seller.

    We have found it difficult to tell whether ebay is actively assisting people in fraudulent activity or just completely inept at dealing with it.

    Either way, they are allowing massive amounts of fraud to take place on their site!

    Will email you over the weekend.

    fightflashfraud

    June 26, 2009 at 3:09 PM

  32. Shady-aftermath07 Fake Seller

    After contacting Kingston, shady can no longer be doing shady deals with his fake Kingstons. His listings have been removed. I think he maybe sold 2 out of 10 of these drives so I will wait and see who bought them and have them informed. His listings on these fakes changed after me contacting him and ebay. All that changed was the removal of the “Kingston” in the main title, ***Kingston 64GB Data Traveler USB Memory Stick BNIB***.
    Is ebay giving the buyer this advice to remove brand name instead of removing the listing?
    It seems so likely as same happened with mjlakin and his fake Kingstons.
    It is rather disturbing to think ebay is helping the fake seller rather than discouraging them.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM

  33. I might just save up and buy one of those bargain £35 64gb Kingston 150 Data Travelers from seller shady-aftermath07 instead. I contacted him about them being possibly fake and he says he can not test because they are in sealed packet. Another seller who is quite happily going to fleece his victims despite my advice. I contacted ebay, they did nothing. I will see if Kingston can do something.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 3:27 AM

  34. I did my 5 a day and ask seller question about the item too until ebay contacted me with friendly warning about transaction interference. Got 400 plus hits over the month on opdoam,haifter,zhongel and taoline2. You will find some don’t believe you (leave them alone, they can end up reporting you),some don’t care(too cheap to chase up on), many do not reply. The people who do get back to you are the ones who appreciate your efforts and makes it worth the trying.

    Ebay never got back to me on my complaint on haifter.
    I see what you mean about haifter listings. Only one item left.I better grab that 2gb bargain before it is too late. I would still check it with h2testw to see if it was fake!

    Gordon Ellis

    June 26, 2009 at 2:51 AM

  35. I complained to eBay again after haifter still had active listings. They didn’t respond this time but perhaps it helped along with the other pressure. As of now haifter has no items listed for sale.

    I have also been contacting other members (limited by eBay to 5-per-day) who have left feedback to haifter (positive feedback, sadly) for the same drives I have purchased.

    I would encourage others to do the same to help out your fellow victims.

    Here is the message I have been sending.

    ————

    Hello, I purchased one of the same flash drives from “haifter” as you did, and wanted to warn you that in all likelihood your drive is fake.

    The capacity on mine was only 2GB, it is spoofed so that Windows thinks it is 16GB. You won’t find out until after writing 2GB+ of data and some of your data goes missing.

    You can Google “haifter” and learn more information about the seller.

    To verify your drive is bad, you can download a free program called “h2testw” that will write a series of big files on the drive and then attempt to verify them.

    Sorry for the bad news, but better to find out now than after losing data.

    Best wishes.

    ————–

    So far I have received two responses thanking me. One was about to test his drive, the other did test his (and another purchased from zhongel) and found them both to be fake.

    If you want to help notify victims and avoid duplication, these are the bidders I have notified so far:

    kreamkarter
    redhot_racers
    6254160
    gayfield1
    crashpack

    derekvanderwatt
    mcjls1982
    priitmail
    chetandoru2008
    specserg

    wmt

    June 25, 2009 at 11:08 PM

  36. I’ve just worked out why the 2008 olympics were so poorly attended by the locals. They were all at home flogging fakes on ebay!!!

    Gordon Ellis

    June 24, 2009 at 8:42 PM

  37. You’ll be telling me the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus are not real next! Ebay have assured us all they are doing their utmost best to make ebay a safe and harmonious place to trade. With paypal’s superior protection for the buyer thrown in, how could it fail? With haifter now achieving Power Seller status it proves that he is an honourable trader and we should trust him even more.
    I have to go now as I am expecting the stork any minute with our newborn baby and I am worried the fairies may not give landing permission due to the leprechauns feeding the Easter Bunny at the botttom of my garden.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM

  38. Nice ideas Gordon, but how would ebay replace all the nice pennies they make from this sort of fraud if your ideas were implemented? Don’t think they are likely to take you up on this, somehow – or am I just an old cynic??

    fightflashfraud

    June 24, 2009 at 7:33 PM

  39. Kingston have managed to stop haifter from advertising the fake Kingston Data Travelers by getting in touch with ebay. At least part of the problem has gone. Hopefully more buyers will read the negative feedback left for haifter and test their drives before leaving more positives. The more negatives, the better. It should be made compulsory for any buyer of flash drives to test with h2testw before leaving feedback or every drive listed to have a built in link to h2testw download. I did suggest this to ebay, but they have not got back to me on this.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM

  40. DIRECTIONS FOR E-MAILING EBAY

    Thank you for that wmt. I have just left my complaint about both haifter and zhongel. I know zhongel has been suspended but it did not stop me complaining. I put in complaint about taoline2 also. Taoline2 has just carried on selling fakes in german listings somewhere instead of UK. I have been in touch with Kingston too about the fake Kingston Data Travelers. Ebay assured Kingston that both haifter and zhongel would be removed. It will be interesting to see if haifter follows soon. Here’s hoping!

    Gordon Ellis

    June 24, 2009 at 5:37 AM

  41. For what it’s worth, here’s where I complained to eBay… it took me a while to find where to do it. You need to circumvent the system that tries to make you go away by reading the Q&A.

    Start here:

    http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_2.html

    Click “Problems with sellers” in the top box and “The Problem you’re having with your seller isn’t listed” in the bottom box.

    On the next page, under Contact Customer Support, click the “Email us” link.

    You will then (finally) get to a page where you can enter the member’s User ID and your comments.

    wmt

    June 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM

  42. I received fakes from both haifter and big.digital and left them both negative feedback.

    I also e-mailed eBay and received this response hours later:

    —————-

    Thank you for writing eBay in regard to your report on sellers haifter and big.digital. As you stated, these sellers are selling fake flash drives and MP3 players, and should be cracked down. Thanks for bringing
    this issue to our attention. Your report will help make the eBay Community safer for everyone.

    Rest assured, we reviewed your report about haifter and big.digital, and will take appropriate action. We may take a range of steps that include giving a warning, canceling a listing, restricting or
    suspending an account, or removing PowerSeller status.

    We protect the privacy of our members, so we can’t share the results of our investigation with you. We appreciate you taking the time to file a report and help make eBay a safe place to buy and sell.

    —————-

    I notice big.digital currently has no fake MP3 players for sale, presumably eBay had something to do with that. Unfortunately haifter still has fake drives listed.

    I am a little flabbergasted by the eBay response. I’m glad they said they will take action, but it is very telling that they didn’t even *question* my assertion that the items are fake.

    That leads me to believe that eBay is fully aware of the fakes, yet is allowing it to continue until someone complains to them about a specific seller.

    I would encourage everyone to contact eBay directly with information about any fraudulent seller they come in contact with. eBay cannot claim ignorance if these sellers are continually reported to them.

    I would think a letter from Kingston’s lawyers to eBay would be in order too. Who knows how many spoofed drives are floating around out there ruining their reputation, and eBay is the conduit for them.

    wmt

    June 23, 2009 at 8:43 AM

  43. Disappointing to see haifter and zhongel back in full flow with sales. Anyone with e-mail for best authorities to contact about this traffic in counterfeits and fake capacity please let me know.

    Gordon

    June 20, 2009 at 11:27 PM

  44. TAOLINE2

    Have taoline2 run out of fake drives? They do not appear to be listing any at moment.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM

  45. Haifter
    Haifter
    Haifter

    Something odd going on with haifter’s listings. Only 6 items for sale? Has someone said something to upset him?

    Glad to be of help Taryn. Hope you get your money back quickly.
    Do NOT spend your refund in China or Hong Kong please!!!!

    Gordon Ellis

    June 12, 2009 at 4:51 PM

  46. We have seen this sort of thing time and again. Most buyers don’t have a clue – to be honest, neither had I when I first bought a fake flash drive. I have a degree that includes IT and electronics – so if I didn’t have a clue at first – how could the ordinary person on the street??

    Flash drives are very recent – they have only been widely available at affordable prices for around 3/4 years. Until last October I did not know there was such a thing as a fake.

    All my old ones are genuine – but I was paying over £6 for a 512mb (half a GB) flash drive three years ago!

    Prices dropped a bit and I could get 1GB for the same price around two years ago. Last year I could pick up a 2GB at this price.

    The price of flash memory is now going up, not down!!

    fightflashfraud

    June 12, 2009 at 1:34 AM

  47. ZHONGEL
    ZHONGEL
    ZHONGEL

    Just found out about this one and hope everyone else knows. Could not believe what I was seeing! There is not even an attempt to disguise the listings. It’s the same fake Kingston again.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

  48. Thank you Gordon, I received one of your e mails through Ebay. Since reading it, I found the pen drive I bought from HAIFTER was in fact 2GB not 16.
    Have emailed them…. waiting for a reply.
    Thank you again for the heads up 🙂

    Taryn McNaught

    June 11, 2009 at 7:58 PM

  49. HAIFTER

    First negative feeback for haifter today.

    FAKE!!! 2GB Packaged As 16GB And Programed To Tell Computer It’s 16GB FAKE FAKE
    New 16GB USB Flash Memory Driver Pen Stick LJJK (#320377397988)

    Can’t make it any clearer than that.

    Hopefully other buyers will now start to pick up on this and many more negatives will follow.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM

  50. The taoline2 fake capacity 16gb drive turned out to be as follows, not 2gb but 7.2gb. It was nearly half way there. My apologies. It appears you get a better quality fake from taoline2 than haifter.

    The media is likely to be defective.
    7.2 GByte OK (15193351 sectors)
    8.5 GByte DATA LOST (17869561 sectors)
    Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
    4 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 8 sectors)
    8.5 GByte corrupted (17869553 sectors)
    0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
    First error at offset: 0x000000002dffb000
    Expected: 0x000000002dffb000
    Found: 0x000000002dff3000
    H2testw version 1.3
    Writing speed: 2.82 MByte/s
    Reading speed: 5.63 MByte/s
    H2testw v1.4

    Gordon Ellis

    June 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM

  51. Taoline2
    Taoline2
    Taoline2

    Got my first confirmation of fake 16gb drive being sold by taoline2. It was one of the purple ones being shipped from UK. I had already contacted taoline2 about the possibility of their drives being fake and they did reply with a “Thank you for advice”.
    I have just checked their listings again and this 16gb drive is £18.49 with free postage but holds less than 2gb. Taoline2 has ignored my advice.
    I bought a new 16gb drive from Play.com for £17.99 with free postage. It was 50p cheaper and holds 8 times the data.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

  52. Hi Gordon – this is exacly as we suspected – which is why all items are shown in my post. Although we could only tell for sure that one item was fake we have generally found that if one item from a seller can be identified as fake the rest turn out to be fake too. Keep up the good work!

    fightflashfraud

    June 4, 2009 at 8:36 PM

  53. Not only are the haifter usb drives fake, so are the mp3 players. The mp3 player holds 1.8gb only, not the 8gb advertised. Two follow-up feedbacks stating “fakes” on usb drives and hopefully more to follow soon.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 4, 2009 at 8:26 PM

  54. First strike against haifter. Not a negative, but an excellent follow-up feedback confirming the first definite fake.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM

  55. Hi Gordon, somehow we don’t think haifter and taoline2 are victim sellers. We strongly suspect that these sellers are fully aware that their drives are fake. Usually if a seller doesn’t know there may be a problem they get back to the person who contacted them very quickly with a “thank you for the warning” message, download the program immediately and end listings very quickly if the items fail the test. Generally they then send another message thanking the ebayer who warned them for keeping them out of the brown sticky stuff! This all normally happens within around 48 hours of the first message.

    fightflashfraud

    June 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

  56. I have suggested to haifter and taoline2 that they are welcome to get in touch and prove their drives are true 16gb ones but have unfortunately not had a response yet. I suggested they use a link to the H2testw 1.4 on their listings and encourage customers to test their drives and forward the results. Possibly they are working on it at this very moment.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 3, 2009 at 9:36 PM

  57. Nice idea in theory Gordon. As far as I know (although some team members have IT jobs) we don’t have any programmers and I think it could be a bit of a dodgy thing to do anyway. Wouldn’t like to see anyone in court for doing something illegal. Hope those you have warned report into sosfakeflash – then an alert can be published on that blog. Unlike this one where suspects get listed we need proof to issue an alert on sosfakeflash.

    fightflashfraud

    June 3, 2009 at 6:54 PM

  58. Someone out there, somewhere, must know how to hack in to all these dodgy seller’s listings and enable a warning to come up every time a potential customer looks at their goods (or should it be “bads”???). Does anyone have the e-mail address of the young lad in America who hacked in to government or security system? Ebay or Paypal should automatically do this on confirmation of fraudulent listings, giving the seller the brief opportunity to reveal source of supply and make amends accordingly (some sellers are honest and have been conned, like ourselves). If not, then remove completely.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 3, 2009 at 5:10 PM

  59. Well said Gordon. The ebay limit is really irritating – maximum of 5 messages in 24hours. Hundreds of fake flash drives are sold every day. If every ebay member who had looked at this site warned three victims a day then we’d have an army large enough to defeat the fraudsters once and for all!

    Grant

    June 3, 2009 at 7:57 AM

  60. I am trying to contact customers on a daily basis who have bought from haifter using “contact member” or “ask a question about the item” to urge them to test their usb drives. I give reference to sosfakeflash and atomic-pig’s ongoing ebay advert Ebay Item number: 140324363377 and ask them to use H2testw to check usb capacity. I also ask them to leave follow-up feedback. Unfortunately, Ebay only allow so many contacts by these methods and I use mine up fairly quickly. I would ask that others do the same and help fight back against these con merchants. Check every day to see detailed feedback on haifter and contact customers who have left positive feedback and ask them to check their usb drives please. The more of us joining the fight, the more people are aware, the less they sell.

    Gordon Ellis

    June 3, 2009 at 12:47 AM


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