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Fraudulent seller esraelonline lists 2 more fake 128GB flash drives

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Fraudulent ebay seller esraelonline was warned that the 128GB USB flash drive previously listed on ebay was fake. This has not deterred this seller from listing another fake model. If you buy from this seller you can kiss goodbye to your files! There is only one genuine 128GB flash drive being manufactured at the moment – and none of the drives listed by this seller are it. Nor will any others listed on ebay be genuine.

Why? Because it is a very expensive special order item that was only announced of 15th June. It not available on general sale and there is a waiting list stretching at least a month ahead for individual special orders. We expect it will be many months from now before 128Gb USB flash drives become generally available.

Here are pictures of the two fake capacity flash drives listed by esaraelonline:

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As ever we strongly advise ebayers to test all flash memory with the free program h2testw.

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

UPDATE 06/07/09
There are now three 128GB models of USB flash drive – but still none that match the items listed by this seller who claims to have tested them with h2testw. We are not convinced – he made every effort in his first listing to dissuade people from testing his drives with h2testw by saying:

Please note that testing on H2TESTW require formating the USB Flash drive. At this volume (128GB) the USB might be harmed if formated.
Again, remember that we are guaranting 128 GB capacity on this item along with 12 month warranty. Nevertheless, Warranty is void if the USB has been formated.

After being challenged by an ebay member and reading the posts here he provided a link to h2test results that (as far as we can see) do not compute! We are not in the business of persecuting innocent sellers. Everything we saw with this seller (who is magically selling nothing after leaving comments and reading our responses) seems to indicate guilt. We leave it to our readers to judge whether esraelonline can be trusted!

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Written by fightflashfraud

June 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM

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  1. Indeed they have Randy, they have started reporting in to sosfakeflash with test results proving the flash drives are fakes!

    As a result sosfakeflash has issued an alert about this (now proven) fraudster. You can see the alert here:
    http://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/esraelonline-ebay-fake-flash-seller-alert-israel/

    We ask buyers to continue to report in to the email address provided on the “report a fake post” – please read carefully so that you provide the information needed to list the item in our database!
    http://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/report-a-fake

    fightflashfraud

    August 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

  2. esraelonline suspended from EBay on 5 Aug…

    as ersraelonline indicates the customers will decide what is right, and they did, they have also spoken to this sellers “integrity”.

    Randy

    August 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM

  3. When you get your new batch perhaps you could provide the photos suggested by Inspector Tech?

    If we are wrong in thinking your drives are fake then it will be the first time in many months of investigations that we have been wrong.

    fightflashfraud

    July 7, 2009 at 8:07 AM

  4. After reading all the comments I can say these things:
    1. I am off ebay for the moment because I am awaiting newer shipment. I will post new auctions soon. Nothing in that should note any sense of guilt.
    2. When you check the results of H2Testw, you can see that the USB is slower. I guess that it is not as fast as the new Kingston 128GB and that there might be many factors to the USB. So capacity may not be the only factor…
    I know one thing – based on everything that I have read on this blog – If I am checking the USB on H2Testw and the outcome is with no errors – I should be more than happy to sell my products online – no matter what brand it is. If I was to sell fake Kigston products – than it would be fraud.
    I am sure that no other seller on ebay went all the way to prove his point – but if you still wish not to believe me it is you call.
    3. As fightflashfraud said before: I would let the customer decide what is right.

    P.S – As for the coins, I had supplier in Jerusalem which managed to “slip” into my purchase some questionable coins. That was dealt with fast and not in any connection to this issue at all. Definitly not something which should question my integrity.

    Regards,
    eSrael Online

    Alon Landau

    July 7, 2009 at 6:34 AM

  5. There can be all sorts of arguements. There are two glaring facts:

    1) The first 128GB annouced to market was in June. The DT200 from Kingston.

    2) Price

    The price for this new drive by Kingston can be seen at:

    http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=DT200/128GB&referid=28

    just click on the “get price”

    Now there is technolgically possible and impossible. You could sell tickets to the moon, we have already been there. You could sell tickets to Mars, but we have no space craft able to transport human beings there and back.

    So until June, no 128GB usb flash drive was available on the consumer market. Kingston annouced it and several other major brands are also in the process of similiar announcements soon.

    So unless esaraelonline is in communication with a top secret Fab – that is making such drives at extremely low prices (note he needs to make a profit)that none of the major players knows about, the probability is in line with a ticket to Mars.

    I don’t need to see any output from H2Testw. Mind you the speeds were very suspect. I just need to see very high definition photographs of the following:

    1) usb controller chip
    2) Flash drive chips

    on the pcb board please, with it easy for anyone to see and read the identification of the chips for both. Then to be able to google for the manufacturer of the chips and the specifications.

    When I see a controller in a generic able to handle 128GB (company site findable) and also can find the flash drive chips at a manufacturers site (for example hynix, toshiba, samsung), I might be in a position to start being convinced.

    h2testw is an excellent diagnositc tool to determine the real capacity of nand flash based items – from a buyers point of view. From a selling point of view it is another matter. The SOSFakeFlash site does not accept screen captures as proof of capacity from sellers. They have reasons, based on investigations.

    A sellers best proof to convince prospective buyers on eBay for such “high capacity” offerings is to show the opened drive for buyers to inspect the chips inside and also to list them so that they could check the manufacturers sites to verify that they are actually made.

    We have had a number of eBay sellers report to us what the “costs” of flash drive chips are. To my current knowledge the largest size is only 16GB, note 16GB, not little 16Gb. I don’t think a 32GB is out yet, unless in the Kingston DT200. Therefore, just how many chips do you need on board, to get to a 128GB capacity. Think about it everyone. Generally the smallest size for these chips is about 1/2 inch. So get out a ruler and start marking out 8 chips. If you use both sides, don’t forget at least 1 inch reserve for the little usb controller chip.

    PS most boards tend to be about 2.5 inches long excluding the connector…

    So either esaraelonline found a Fab that none of the other major manufacturers know about that is light years ahead, or he is/was selling tickets to Mars.

    InspectorTech

    July 6, 2009 at 10:29 PM

  6. Hi Randy,

    Copying large files is a valid way of testing – but it is risky as the drive may be corrupted when you exceed the true capacity and the seller may claim that you “did something” to the drive. This method also takes a lot longer than h2testw – which can be run without risk of corrupting the drive.

    If you use the program h2testw you can simply remove the test files and nothing about the drive is changed – the reason we recommend it.

    We examined the seller’s feedback which indicates he probably sold other fraudulent items before embarking on fake flash sales. The fact that he suddenly skipped off ebay today after leaving his comments (which suggested he would continue listing) is yet another indication of guilt.

    fightflashfraud

    July 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM

  7. Some additional information that you the reader should consider when determining the credibility of this seller.

    There are warning on ebay blogs.

    This seller has now received one negative feedback about flash capacity. The feedback stated

    Hacked drive, 54.7mb drive management, 150kb/s write vice 6gb/s. Exchange not!

    How can you explain the 54.7mb, easy the buyer copied a number of very large files to the drive and discouver the drive is hacked. The valid test to determine size is h2testw not copying large files..

    You may also want to “google esraelonline fake coins

    Randy

    July 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

  8. We have no intention of removing the posts – as it stands there are only 3 models of 128GB flash drive available – the first was announced by Kingston on 15th June (special order with long waiting list) and the other two were announced later – only one of the two is presently available to purchase. We will leave it to your customers to decide whether what you say or what we say is the truth!

    fightflashfraud

    July 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

  9. When H2Testw test the high capacity 128GB, it first notes that it will not be able to check all the space.
    It is able to check it all – only if formated. It then checks whatever he can (based on this you can see almost 128GB of space – 127968 mb). The screenshot show that the 127968 mb of space has been tested with no errors.

    You wanted to test it with H2Testw – that is exactly what we did… I think it would be a nice gesture to withdraw this web pages and the wrong information that you have posted about us. If you would like to leave it – then at least note that the information I have supplied meet your criteria.
    The fact that you think that the screenshot lacks credibility is your call (of course), but it is very real – and with that – I would close my argument regarding this or any item we sell.
    In other auctions – we will continue to test our items with H2Testw per your request and post them online.

    Regards,
    eSrael Online

    Alon Landau

    July 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

  10. We think your screenshot lacks credibility – it shows an item with a larger capacity than 128GB!

    fightflashfraud

    July 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

  11. The items posted are not fake 128!
    You can see the the H2Testw on of these items on this page: http://www.esraelonline.com/ebay/usb-test.jpg

    Regards,
    eSrael Online

    Alon Landau

    July 6, 2009 at 6:35 AM


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