Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

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Would you auction 64GB flash drives on ebay with 99p start?

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ukbargainstores

Seller ukbargainstores has listed a number of these 64GB flash drives at auction with a 99p start and free P&P. If these are genuine the seller risks making a big loss. This makes us wonder if they could be fake capacity.

As usual we strongly advise ebayers to test all flash memory with the free program h2testw.

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

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Written by fightflashfraud

September 10, 2009 at 8:53 PM

14 Responses

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  1. Glad to hear it but we can work together to stop this my Msn
    ukbargainstores@hotmail.co.uk

    Riki

    September 14, 2009 at 8:21 AM

  2. Ricki,

    If you ran the test on the fakes you had you should know as well as we do that the screenshot is meaningless.

    If you are going to ensure your drives are all genuine then we are very pleased and wish you luck but we cannot simply take your word on it.

    We have had sellers say this before and then list fakes again.

    fightflashfraud

    September 14, 2009 at 7:47 AM

  3. I’m really disappointed in you that i’m sure that all the sellers from eBay you pointed out non of them have come to talk to you to solve the problem as I did and you are kind of threating (lol) me instead of working togeather to stop this dirty business on eBay.
    I’m very pleased with your knowladge and approach. atleast I tried to tell my custoers and showed them a proof of the usb that its checked before listing but you still think its only a snapshot.
    Thanks

    Riki

    September 14, 2009 at 3:23 AM

  4. Hi Riki

    I think that our position was made fairly clear. We advised you to test with h2testw before listing any more flash memory items for sale. If you are confident that your flash drives are ok – go ahead and list them. However, do not expect us to take your word about it and recommend you as a seller on the basis of a screenshot!!

    Time will tell whether the drives you list now and in future are ok.

    BE WATCHING YOU!!

    guess you’re probably too young to understand the reference.

    fightflashfraud

    September 13, 2009 at 9:19 PM

  5. before you said you have yto check them on the provided software “h2testw” now you don’t believe in that either so what are you playing at.

    Riki

    September 13, 2009 at 8:09 PM

  6. If you are not willing to talk then we can’t do anything about it.
    have a nice time
    we know what we are doing

    Riki

    September 13, 2009 at 8:03 PM

  7. Ricki,

    Do not attempt to leave comments advertising your items. They will simply be treated as spam.

    We note you seem to have removed a couple of suspect items, which we are glad to see.

    However the fact that you seemed to give a false email address and then asked us to contact you personally does not exactly give us a lot of confidence in you.

    Please note that a screenshot of h2testw does not constitute any sort of evidence that a flash drive is genuine.

    Many fraudsters have used this tactic in the past!

    We are not here to advertise people’s wares – though we may choose to recommend a seller we purchased genuine flash drives from.

    Our team operate anonymously because (among our activities) one of the things we do is “mystery shopping” – we say as we find!

    We are not at all conviced that your current offering is genuine – how (after listing only fakes before) would you suddenly find genuine flash drives this quickly??

    fightflashfraud

    September 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM

  8. Hi Ricki,
    As the email address you gave is unreachable we can’t get in touch with you in person!

    fightflashfraud

    September 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM

  9. Thank you for your quick reply and I’m really happy to know alot more new things than I thought I knew. please get intouch with me personally.
    need to talk more about it.
    Thanks

    Ricki

    September 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM

  10. What this seller does not realise, nor do many others, is that many of the counterfeit and fake capacity sellers have had to pay back a lot more customers than is obvious.It never shows in feedback.

    The customer buys the drive, inserts it into an available usb slot, sees that the drive comes up as stated capacity in properties and promptly leaves positive feedback on the bargain drive.

    What we do not see is the buyers who have later found out that their drives were not what they initially thought and claimed a refund through either paypal or direct contact with the seller.
    Very rarely do buyers use the follow up to feedback left option to help warn others about the fraud being committed by the seller, so the seller manages to continue unabated.

    Buyers of any goods have to learn to test whatever item they buy before leaving feedback. Once positive feedback is left, there is nothing you can do to go back and change it. If that means using something for a fortnight before leaving feedback, so be it.

    If I was a seller, I would be much happier if my customers thoroughly tested their goods before leaving feedback. If you are an honest seller, you have nothing to lose.

    Another small note. Sellers are no longer able to leave negative feedback for a buyer. This gives the buyer the opportunity to be honest about the sale without worrying about retaliatry feedback.

    Traveler

    September 13, 2009 at 3:20 PM

  11. Hi Riki,

    It would have been easier for us to make sense of what you said if sentences were shorter. Paragraphs would have made your comment easier to read too.

    We are glad you removed these from sale and hope that you have tested the other flash drives you have on sale with h2testw. If my students bought fake flash memory they could lose all their work and fail the course. Would you like to be responisible for that?

    This is not about money – it is about data loss. Those who know about testing can get a refund – but most people don’t. Many people are unaware there is such a thing as fake flash memory.

    We see many items that we know for sure are fake getting positive feedback as a result. Buyers sometimes don’t run into problems until months later.

    So please, Riki – test any flash memory with h2testw to make sure it is genuine before you sell it on ebay whatever price you choose to sell it at.

    fightflashfraud

    September 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

  12. Hi and thank you very much for your comments about the drives as we were not aware of the situation until ebay removed our listings and we thought it might be because of copyright and then we relisted them again as unbranded but as soon as we found out that the drives are really fake we then removed them ourselves to avoid any problems which means we are not fraudsters when it comes to selling them from £0.99p, it does not make anything fake because its starting from that price as there are many other reasons to start from this price, we are also selling mobile phones starting from £0.99p but they are not fake, and if you claim why these drives are made in CHINA then look around all top brand technology products as they are made in China. When it comes to buying from other suppliers like toomanyles572 he is selling more than 100 drives every day and by looking at their feed back you seem to be wrong, not them if 1 out of 100 says it didn’t work it still does not make them wrong as these things happen. And for talking sake if your purchased item is fake you still have buyers protection through PayPal so it doesn’t really matter to you as you lost nothing. if you think that selling from £0.99 is wrong an we’ll lose money on it then you should be happy that you don’t have to pay extra if some one is losing then it would be us not you.
    hope it makes sense to you.
    Thanks very much

    Ricki

    September 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM

  13. New information has come to light on this seller.

    The seller had already listed and had the same 64gb DT100 drives removed by ebay as counterfeits. All the seller did was relist the exact same drives regardless of whether ebay or Kingston considered them as counterfeit and added even more the second time round.

    It is beginning to look as if the seller has been intentionally dishonest and lied to the concerned ebay member.

    The seller has now listed the unbranded drives he claimed he was going to test before listing. I very much doubt the seller has tested anything as at least one of the drives is a known fake capacity drive.

    Why is ukbargainstores buying fake capacity drives from another suspected fraudster toomanyles572?

    Is he perhaps getting samples of his next fake capacity drives?

    I can only conclude that either this seller is as thick as two short planks or a fraudster.

    As a result, I would recommend not buying a thing from this seller.

    Traveler

    September 13, 2009 at 4:42 AM

  14. This seller was contacted by a concerned ebay member and advised the drives were fake capacity and counterfeit. There were 21 of these drives listed individually.

    The seller initially saw no problem as there were loads for sale on the internet and could not see how they could be possibly fake and be allowed to be sold on the internet. He just wanted to sell them on ebay.

    After following advice and doing a few simple checks, the seller removed all the drives from sale and is going to be very careful with future purchases from suppliers. He has vowed to never buy branded products from China again and will personally check real capacity on any unbranded items before listing in future.

    He was saved from the possibility of potentially 21 negative feedbacks.

    Some stories here do have a happy ending.

    Traveler

    September 10, 2009 at 11:08 PM


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