Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

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This ebay seller seems to be rather confused!

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data_storage_desires

It seems that UK ebay seller data_storage_desires is somewhat confused. In this listing the seller states:

I have for sale a kingston data traveller 120 32gb in size.

The rrp for this item is around £70.

The product is 100% genuine as i buy my stock straight from the sandisk factory, it is brand new and comes in the original packaging and has a 5 year warranty.

Hmm so Sandisk is doing Kingston a favour by selling their flash drives for them are they?? Somehow we suspect not!! We also suspect this could well be a counterfeit as the seller is a using private aucton and the start price is far too cheap.

As usual we strongly advise ebayers to test all flash memory with the free program h2testw.

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

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Written by fightflashfraud

September 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM

18 Responses

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  1. Just in case this seller starts up again under his other ID, here it is:

    brookes84

    That way, if one ID gets suspended, victims have somewhere else to find this fraudster.

    Not only was the seller a fraudster and talking through his proverbial, he also promised at least one of his customers a refund and tried to avoid paying out. Paypal made sure the victim was paid after the customer got in touch with them.

    It seems there is not one shred of decency in this seller.

    Traveler

    September 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM

  2. I can now confirm that Kingston are removing the fake capacity 32gb DT120 counterfeits listed by this seller. Seven have already been removed and the rest will follow soon enough.

    It proves beyond any doubt that the seller has not got a clue what he was talking about. His so called extensive research was a complete fabrication. His expertise in what a real usb flash drive consists of was severely lacking.

    If this fraud was the sellers way of financing his way through the last year of university, I am glad he has failed. If this was an example of how good his researching abilities were, he is unlikely to qualify in anything.

    Traveler

    September 14, 2009 at 12:06 PM

  3. A prospective customer for one of the drives from this seller has been in touch stating their disappointment in this seller.

    After reading the article here on this seller, the prospective customer contacted the seller and asked if the drives were indeed genuine. The seller assured the prospective customer he would test and get back with the results of h2testw to reassure before purchase.

    Despite several attempts by the prospective customer to get the test results from the seller, they have been completely ignored.

    That is two incidents of the seller not getting back with test results to those it may concern, us here and a potential customer.

    It is only at the end of the test that the true capacity is revealed and the faults revealed. After two hours into the test, nothing would have been known as the test was still going through the motions. About 15 minutes after the seller had posted the rather rude and insulting comment, he would have realised himself what we already expected. This would explain his lack of further communication.

    If the test had finished with no errors, we would never have heard the end of it!

    He says it best when he says nothing at all.

    Traveler

    September 13, 2009 at 8:28 PM

  4. Hi ITGuy,

    The 32GB DT 120 does exist, but we suspect that this one is a counterfeit.

    fightflashfraud

    September 12, 2009 at 8:45 AM

  5. Interesting. I looked @ the Kingston.com Website and could not find a reference to a DT120.

    What would Kingston say about this drive. Is it real? I doubt it.

    ITGuy

    September 11, 2009 at 11:16 PM

  6. Are you saying they DO have a degree course in plasticine modelling then?

    Traveler

    September 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM

  7. As someone who has lectured on University courses I have to report that (sadly) many lecturers are rather lax about things like spelling and punctuation when marking students’ work.

    Mind you – some lecturers have little in the way of language skills themselves, so it is not entirely surprising.

    Some are even rather lax about checking whether the work was actually done by the student. This is how so many people who know very little can come to have degrees.

    Sad but true.

    fightflashfraud

    September 11, 2009 at 8:32 PM

  8. Does spelling and punctuation not matter if you are a genius university student in your final year?

    Do they do a university degree in playing with plasticine?

    Traveler

    September 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM

  9. I don’t know what this seller does in the privacy of his own home, but I am personally physically unable to do what has been suggested.

    I’ve never been one for horses either since I prefer the combustion engine method of transport.

    I see the extensive research done by the seller has obviously caused him some frustration which shows in his use of rather colourful language.

    If only NASA had found this genius years ago they could have saved so much money. After all it’s just a load of bits and pieces made out of plastic and metal and a few electrical components, isn’t it?

    Oh, by the way, how did the seller get on with the test?

    Traveler

    September 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM

  10. You may think everything looks fine. We don’t. We will be intererested to know what you find when the test finishes.

    fightflashfraud

    September 11, 2009 at 6:46 PM

  11. and one final comment
    if you botherd to read my listing properly you would have noticed that i offer a refund for anything that is faulty
    good day

    data_storage_desires

    September 11, 2009 at 6:19 PM

  12. well the test is 2 hours in and everythings looking fine
    you lot need to pull your heads out of your arses and jump off your high horses if you dont trust the look of my flash drives then dont fucking buy them
    just remember that a flash drive is made up of a plastic case, a few electrical components and a metal usb connection not much cost if you think about it even when you take bills into account

    data_storage_desires

    September 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM

  13. Many sellers on ebay make the mistake of thinking they are cutting out the middle man. So do many buyers.

    That is why this site exists.

    Just because sellers buy from the orient they think that is the direct line to the source. Most often it is the case that they are buying from source, the counterfeit source. These counterfeits are made in factories, mass produced with packaging being focussed on to make sure the product looks as close to the original as possible. That is as far as the likeness goes. The drives themselves are quite often of poor build quality. Regardless of whether the build quality is good or not on the outside, the internals are severely lacking. Low capacity, low grade chips are used and hacked to complete the illusion required to fool the unwary buyer.

    I got over the illusion fairly quickly after being caught out with one of these drives. I have come to realise that the reputable online sellers are not keeping their prices artificially high to make large profits. They use brand name items to entice customers to their stores, hoping the customer will browse and buy other items whilst there. The profit margin on these brand name usb flash drives is quite often minimal for the seller.

    Taking all that into consideration, how likely is it that a new ebay seller is going to be able to come along and continuously sell these drives at less than half the price of every reputable online seller and still make profit.

    Traveler

    September 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM

  14. to: data_storage_desires,

    You say you have spent “years” researching the market. You also say that you are selling to pay your way through University. Presumably, then, you are a mature student? Shame your attitude does not seem to be as mature as one might expect from someone who had spent “years” researching this and the quality of your “research” appears to be rather poor.

    Having been a Lecturer for a number of years I would expect students to have done a little more in-depth reseach than you seem to have done. I always expect students to provide evidence of their research and findings.

    I would expect any student in your situation to test at least 30% of the flash drives with h2testw (rather than relying on possible mis-information from a supplier) before advertising them for sale.

    I buy flash drives for my students to use. I now test every single one before I give it to a student – and before you start – I lend them to the students rather than selling them unless they demand to buy one.

    fightflashfraud

    September 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM

  15. Dear datastoragedesires,
    Traveler has actually done quite a bit of research since he joined the frankenflash project. He was never a seller.
    He was a buyer on ebay – a victim of someone like you.

    fightflashfraud

    September 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM

  16. sorry my mistake
    i have just spoken to my supplier and he distributes for both factorys
    the way he came accross is that the two companys were linked however this is not the case and i will change my listing accordingly
    that aside i have spent many years researching this market and looking for suppliers

    Traveller,

    have you spent years researching the market, probably not

    do you know how many of these drives i have brought, no you dont

    do you know how much these things actually cost these companys to produce, i doubt it

    My theory of you is that you are somebody trying to sell these products on ebay yourself but have had the misfortune of buying off a middle man therefore not getting them for a price that lets you compeate with me

    i personally test around 1 in every ten of my products and there is nothing suspect about them at all

    data_storage_desires

    September 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM

  17. do you even know what you are talking about
    kingston is owned by sandisk
    these flash drives probably cost sandisk less than 50p to make and i buy them without having to go through all the representatives and taxes that the shops do
    i also have no intention on making huge profits that the shops do i just want to pay for my last year of uni
    if you are going to slander people then get your facts straight
    yours sincerly
    data_storage_desires

    data_storage_desires

    September 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

  18. Not only has the start price been too cheap, but so has the final auction price.
    At least three have already sold for the initial start price.

    Has this put the seller off letting these £70.00 drives go so cheaply?

    No.

    The seller simply listed even more at the exact same start price.

    No seller in their right mind is going to be prepared to make a loss on every single drive.

    Every time I see a seller quoting RRP at much higher than the seller is offering the item for, it rings alarm bells.

    Private listings are often used by fraudsters to hide what was sold and for how much.

    This is certainly not for the customer’s benefit when selling usb flash drives.

    I would strongly advise anyone against buying from this seller. Something is definitely not right here.

    Traveler

    September 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM


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