Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

The authors of this blog want to elimnate flash fraud on Ebay

UK member sold quite a number of counterfeit DT200

with 14 comments

We don’t think there is any chance that the 128GB Kingston DataTraveler 200 USB flash drives sold by petesgb are genuine.

For one thing petesgb sold them at auction and to date none seem to have fetched the cost of manufacturing the drive, let alone the wholesale price of genuine ones. This seller obviously bought counterfeits from a fraudulent supplier.

Perhaps the seller has absolutely no idea of the cost of flash memory and beleives them to be genuine, but we can say without a shadow of a doubt that buyers will not be able to verify serial numbers with Kingston as they could with genuine ones.

We advise everyone to test all flash memory with the free program h2testw.

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

UPDATE 01/01/10
Seller petesgb was warned by an ebay member that the flash drives were fake and has also now had feedback from buyers saying the same. It seems that ebay has now removed listings but has not suspended the seller. If you bought a flash drive from this seller test immediately and claim a refund! – The item will undoubtedly have vanished from your won list, but you will find it in your paypal transactions.

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  1. To Micro about:

    As fightflashfraud implies, the task does NOT end here it goes on until ALL the fake items are returned and disabled.

    If 1 million chips are reprogrammed every month (see TechChip’s blog and the video), there is a problem. As IT Guy and I have found, the real issue is with certain usb flash controller chips. Almost all fakes seem to use the same chip families.
    Disabling the production of those old controller chips in China, having them removed from the market would assist in preventing further fraud. It is key to addressing the issue. The issue is how?

    For example, MXT6208 (Micov) is the best and most interesting chip series. With the correct software you can change it to any like you like. 16GB or a tera byte. It is not rocket science either.

    True there will be some who might like to pass on the fake. That is a one to one ratio.
    How do you address the power sellers in the Orient who sell thousands in a short period of time? The data loss is beyond comprehension.
    The tap needs to be turned off. The source is China. Individual buyers are at the end of the fake flash chain. As the FrankenFlash Project repeatedly says “no demand, no supply”.
    Buyers need education, the cost of flash memory chips. It is preventative. Forcing an end to the production of flawed usb flash controller chips, is paramount.

    InspectorTech

    January 20, 2010 at 6:52 AM

  2. The problem here pete is that those that chose to KEEP the counterfeit items could either keep them because their ego was hurt at having brought fakes, or could try to pass them off to others later on to get some return.
    I either case, or in any other situation where the device is NOT destroyed, it remains in circulation and selling it knowingly as being a counterfeit is fraud.
    Some poor soul is going to get caught in the end.
    I have one such device, I used it to examine and report on my blog, also on eBay, I have NO intention of trying to pass it off as anything other than the 512K fake that it is.
    I think we should know these buyers that decided to keep, could be worth keeping an eye on them.
    As fightflashfraud implies, the task does NOT end here it goes on until ALL the fake items are returned and disabled.

    Micro

    January 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM

  3. To Petesgb,

    We know how difficult it can be when sellers bought from fraudulent suppliers and then sold fakes on ebay.

    However, harsh as it may seem, a seller who does not refund each and every buyer (whether or not the buyer returns an item) has not exonerated themselves.

    Some sellers have the good sense to heed warnings, immediately remove listings themselves while they check things out and refund any buyers straight away, without waiting for returns etc.

    These sellers don’t usually end up being mentioned on frankenflash blogs.

    Had you paid more attention to the warning you got then you probably would not have been written about in the first place.

    If we get evidence that shows you refunded everyone then we will say so!

    fightflashfraud

    January 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM

  4. In response to Micro and fightflashfraud.

    Every buyer that has asked for a refund and return the item purchased to me, has been granted a full refund.

    As you said you have contacted these buyer advising them, i have also contact them offering full refund if they want to return item explaining the problem with item.

    I have had 6 responses from people wanting to keep hold of item and have refunded 4 others in full, i am currently awaiting response from 2 people and awaiting return of item from one to grant full refund.

    PLEASE BE AWARE THIS IS ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE SOLD TO, I HAVE CONTACTED NOT JUST THE ONES WHO HAVE LEFT FEEDBACK ON MY PROFILE.

    I feel now that i have done all in my power to try to rectify this situation.

    But am open any other suggestions you may have.

    Regards,

    Petesgb

    Petesgb

    January 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM

  5. Live in hope Micro, live in hope! More inclined to think that this is a seller to steer clear of.

    Truly good and honest sellers rush to sort out known problems, even when a customer is unaware of them – they don’t wait for complaints.

    fightflashfraud

    January 11, 2010 at 6:20 PM

  6. To petesgb I think you should make that suggestion to someone that has just wasted £30 on a piece of junk, you may regard this loss as trivial, not to mention the time wasted in having to claim a refund, and still have no working flash drive, I guarantee this will not be the view of the buyers you defrauded by your flippant attitude and cavalier ideas.
    The only good thing to come out of this is you will be wiser next time ( I hope) having taken advice from those that have experienced the problem already.
    I trust you will by now have refunded ALL the buyers
    as well as those that have feedback commented.

    Micro

    January 11, 2010 at 5:38 PM

  7. I am advised that for the record sever remaining buyers were informed they may have purchased counterfeit fake capacity drives, None so far has replied or issued any follow up feedback.
    The member advises that these buyers have not responded, though they may have had refunds and not bothered to add feedback.
    meister79, gjp1956, fittersky, karlb3645, stanz767
    1400ond, madderthanhell

    Micro

    January 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM

  8. One more buyer has issued follow up feedback, returned the fake device (only 6.5GB of real storage) and is awaiting a refund. This buyer would like to thank the
    member that advised them of the possibility their purchase was a counterfeit.

    Micro

    January 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM

  9. Oh, by the way petesgb:

    What we forgot to say is that once the true capacity of these drives (usually less than 4GB) is exceeded everything users saved to one of these will start to be lost or corrupted!

    That is what really concerns us. Data loss. Corrupted files. We wouldn’t care less about it if copies actually had the capacity stated and didn’t trash people’s files.

    fightflashfraud

    December 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM

  10. To Petesgb,

    Alibaba is a notorious fraud site. As soon as we came across this site (over a year ago) we thought of Alibaba and the forty theives. This prompted us to investigate. As a result we wouldn’t consider any seller on that site to be approved!

    We did say that you might not know they were fakes. Neither yourself nor your buyers have been called stupid. We simply pointed out the facts.

    fightflashfraud

    December 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

  11. Hi,

    This is Petesgb,

    Any one that is not happy with product has been offered full refund!

    AND YOU SAY I HAVE ONE NEGATIVE FEED BACK, BUT SIX POSITIVE WITH PEOPLE THAT COULD NOT BE HAPPIER.

    I DONT THINK PEOPLE ARE STUPID IF THEY ARE BUYING SOMETHING WITH A MARKET VALUE OF £300 FOR £30.

    I AM SURE THEY ARE NOT IN A STATE OF SHOCK TO FIND OUT IT MIGHT BE A FAKE.

    I GOT SENT THESE KINGSTON 128GB BY ACCIDENT FROM A SUPPLIER IN CHINA THAT I ORDERED 100 MEMORY STICKS FROM WITH A LOGO ON THEM. THE COMPANY THAT I BOUGHT THEM FROM WAS A APPROVED SELLER ON http://WWW.ALIBABA.COM.

    ANYWAY, I WILL NOT BE SELLING ANY MORE OF THESES ITEMS!

    AND ON ALL MY AUCTIONS I DID SAY
    “PLEASE BE AWARE THESE ITEMS ARE FROM CHINA AND MAYBE A COPY”

    Petesgb

    December 30, 2009 at 4:00 PM

  12. One buyer has been refunded, one new buyer has been advised, that leaves seven still needing refunding
    and hopefully leaving follow up feedback before the seller gets suspended.

    Micro

    December 29, 2009 at 9:19 PM

  13. Latest news is the seller has just received one NEGATIVE, which with a total feedback of 6 & 87.5% does
    indicate how important it is to check all stock before sale, and to take advice from those that are here to help, not to persecute unknowing sellers!

    Micro

    December 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM

  14. I advise that a member kindly took over the notification task to TWO buyers of these flash items, a message was sent to both suggesting they do a full test before trusting these with their valuable data. If they have problems to contact sosfakeflash for advice.

    Micro

    December 16, 2009 at 8:46 PM


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