Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

The authors of this blog want to elimnate flash fraud on Ebay

Test flash drives & memory cards from ebayer mem_memory with h2testw

with 19 comments

Seller mem_memory has listed a number of USB flash drives and memory cards at auction on ebay and we have a feeling that they may well have come from a fraudulent supplier. If the supplier that mem_memory bought from is one of the fraudulent wholesale outlets then this 64GB Kingston DataTraveler 200 will be a fake capacity counterfeit that corrupts files. If this flash drive is genuine the buyer will be able to confirm this by verifying the serial number with Kingston.

We advise everyone who buys flash memory items to test them with the free program h2testw irrespective of where they were purchased – otherwise you run the risk of data loss and corruption.

Report your fake if testing confirms you have purchased fake capacity flash memory on ebay.

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  1. We are getting rather bored with you gareth. You are the one who needs to grow up. Unless you actually have something constructive to say no further comments from you will be published.

    fightflashfraud

    September 2, 2010 at 12:42 PM

  2. you need to grow up and stop wasting your life!

    gareth

    September 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM

  3. Why don’t you grow up gareth? Or are you a thirteen year old with raging hormones?

    fightflashfraud

    September 2, 2010 at 12:02 PM

  4. to Mem Memory

    you failed you could have made good money, your a flop.

    gareth

    September 2, 2010 at 11:27 AM

  5. Hi Traveler,

    Seller mem_memory admitted these failed testing with h2testw. Don’t think John is actually the seller, just an irriot that thought the drive properties must be right and resented the kind advice from an ebayer to read this blog and test the drive. Have seen this with some people (usually men) with an ego bigger than their brain! Such people think along the lines “How could such a smart person as myself possibly be defrauded? No, whoever suggests such a thing must be up to something nefarious!”

    By the way, mem_memory is no longer a registered user on ebay.

    fightflashfraud

    August 30, 2010 at 1:11 PM

  6. Dear John,

    Are you actually mem_memory?

    I doubt any single item sold by John, sorry, mem_memory, was genuine brand or capacity. I would like to have seen real h2testw results and not just some claim the drive was tested. Kingston send an e-mail on verification of their drives. Are we likely to see that either? Somehow, I don’t think so.

    How many times do we see the same pattern with fraudulent sellers? Positive feedback is left by the buyer based on the information seen in properties when the usb flash drive is plugged in. Very few buyers actually test their drives properly or are even aware of h2testw.

    It is only after problems start with these fake capacity and/or counterfeit drives, that anyone starts to look for answers. It smells more fishy when we get someone coming here protesting a seller’s innocence and trying to throw us off the scent!

    The seller will now happily disappear with their easily gleened profits, no doubt without contacting all those customers blissfully unaware they have been supplied with fake capacity counterfeits.

    Traveler

    August 30, 2010 at 12:47 PM

  7. Hi John,

    Our only motive is to warn people about flash memory – we all bought fakes on ebay and as ebay wasn’t doing much to stop the sale of fakes on their site we decided to set up this blog to warn people. We are not in competition with mem_memory or anyone else. No doubt the person who directed you to this blog was someone who bought fake flash themselves and thought what you bought might be fake.

    We simply advised people to check that their Kingston flash drive was genuine by verifying the serial number with Kingston because most of the flash drives auctioned on ebay turn out to be fakes sold by fraudulent wholesalers in China. We did not know for sure whether the ones from mem_memory were fakes or not but it seems that the seller discovered they were fake for himself when he tested them with h2testw.

    Did you manage to verify the serial number? If you didn’t try doing this we suggest you do so fast, as it looks as though you are wrong about it being genuine.

    When you say you tested it, how did you do this? We have found that many people (both sellers and buyers) thought that checking with hdtune showed their drives were ok or that what was shown in the drive properties could be trusted – but it can’t. If a flash drive is fake then it reports a false capacity to the operating system.

    fightflashfraud

    August 27, 2010 at 6:13 PM

  8. It all smells all fishy to me.
    Is there someone here who is actually in competition with Mem Memory and changed his disguise to create a bad image of mem momory and sell his own products.
    Think…. Everyone here think..
    Whats the motive?

    I see all good feedbacks left and not a single one with a Negative.
    This proves that someone here contacts them through their feedback member ID and tells them to come to this blog. I too received such an invitation to come here and join in against Mem Memory.

    Is it a new way of generating traffic?
    I don’t see any google adsense here.
    Whats the motive?

    I wonder if my comments will be posted here.
    I am happy I tested my 64GB Memory stick and found it to be genuine and full capacity.

    John

    August 27, 2010 at 3:39 PM

  9. Hi Micro,

    A lot of the buyers won’t realise two months from now, or even in 6 months – most people only save a small amount of stuff to their flash drves and it can be as much as a year before those who buy fakes run into trouble. Even then they often don’t realise that it was because the flash drive was a fake capacity.

    This happened with some collegues of mine. What I told them suddenly made them twig why their flash drives had ceased to work! When most in education and IT professionals are unaware of the problem, what chance for the general public?

    All this begs the question:
    WHY ON EARTH DO PEOPLE BUY FLASH MEMORY ITEMS ADVERTISED AS A MUCH HIGHER CAPACITY THAN THE ACTUALLY NEED?
    As you and I know – the lower the capacity the more likely it is that you’ll get a genuine item – that said I got a fake 256 megabyte flash drive on ebay a couple of years ago – you wouldn’t think anyone would bother faking the capacity of something that small would you?

    fightflashfraud

    August 26, 2010 at 5:08 PM

  10. What I find amazing about this case is that despite the seller saying he will refund (but NOTE) only those that complain, there are still positive feedback’s arriving, one must question both the buyers for not knowing how to tell the good from the bad, and the seller for actually dispatching the known fakes. I take the attitude that if ONE item is FAKE, then they ALL will be
    therefore there are still some buyers that seem happy with their purchases, that is until they find out the truth. What will they do when they find out 2 months from today? Too late for a claim, and who knows after this experience, if the seller will still be in business then, or even willing to offer a refund.
    Time to count the costs, pocket the loss, and accept it as one of life’s HARD lessons.. There will ALWAYS be some bastard ready to do you down, WISE up, we all had to !!!

    Micro

    August 26, 2010 at 12:10 PM

  11. Hi mem-memory,
    Seems that you (like many ebay selllers) fell victim to a fraudulent supplier in China. You will probably find that it is virually impossible to get a full refund from the supplier. Returning the fakes to the supplier (especially if they are brand name items) is illegal as sending fraudulent and counterfeit items through the post is actually a criminal offence in the UK. It would also be an offence for buyers to return counterfeit items to you, which is why some buyers will refuse to do so. Counterfeits should be destroyed. That advice actually comes from ebay!!

    Just in case you don’t understand the difference between generic fakes and counterfeits:
    An item which is a copy of a brand name item or bears that company’s name (purports to be from a particular supplier such as Sony, Kingston etc in the case of flash memory) rather than an original item sold by the company is counterfeit. Sending any such item through the postal system is normally illegal in the UK. Do not compound your mistake by asking buyers to return them! Ask them to send evidince to yourself and ebay/paypal that they destroyed the device.

    fightflashfraud

    August 24, 2010 at 6:55 PM

  12. I was made to believe that these were genuine items.
    I had no means to test each and every one of them as once the packing is opened no one wants to buy them.

    I was shown the way to test by one of the writers here. I opened a few of them and found that they were not genuine. These were the most recent shipment that I received. I was honest and admitted they were fakes.

    As soon as I found out that some of them were not genuine, I stopped listing on ebay. The listings that already had the bids on them, ebay did not allow to end. So I had to let the listings run until Monday night.

    In the meantime I have been refunding to those who complained. There are also some who want to keep the item and get the refund at the same time. Well this is not possible, because I have to take the issue with my supplier and return it back to him to compensate me.

    He mentioned that those who are willing to accept 50% refund can keep the item.

    This afternoon Tuesday the 24th, I have completely removed all sales from ebay.

    Mem Memory

    August 24, 2010 at 5:12 PM

  13. Hi Traveler,
    Don’t you mean the seller would have made a loss if they were genuine rather than has made a loss? After all the fraudulent wholesalers are selling fakes for peanuts!

    fightflashfraud

    August 23, 2010 at 6:44 AM

  14. i reported the listings last week, still not been taken down, ebay aid in fraud!!!

    Project Manager

    August 23, 2010 at 6:28 AM

  15. we need to get this seller taken down, someone should buy a item from this seller and get his return address so we can report him to trading standards.

    Project Manager

    August 23, 2010 at 6:25 AM

  16. A good samaritan has been contacting buyers from mem_memory to inform them they have been sold fakes. This in turn has resulted in the buyers getting in touch with the seller. At least one customer is presently in dispute with the seller in regards to a fake capacity Kingston 32GB SDHC card.

    Many more customers of this seller will be leaving feedback soon. The more people who ask his customers to test, the better. The seller was not happy with the good samaritan, so got in touch with them directly to try to get them to back off.

    The seller agrees that some of the items were indeed fakes but now they are aware how to test, they are not going to send out any dodgy ones. These are the sellers own words:

    “Not all of the items I have are fake. Most of them are genuine.
    Some were when you showed me the way to test them.
    So I stopped sending them out.
    I have lodged complaint with my supplier
    and I always refund if there is any problem.”

    Does this mean that all drives will be opened and checked before dispatch?
    I’m not clear which ones are genuine?

    Is it the £29.97 Kingston 64GB DT200? (cclonline.com £118.64)
    Is it the £48.00 Kingston 128GB DT200’s? (cclonline £288.27)
    Is it the £16.00 Kingston 32GB SDHC memory card? (Amazon.co.uk £56.60)
    Is it the £20.01 16GB Sony Pro Duo memory card? (Amazon.co.uk £57.07)

    The prices in brackets are from REPUTABLE suppliers and reflect true prices of the genuine items. This is a useful link to what the seller has sold so far. It would appear this seller is operating at considerable loss on the vast majority of the products.

    http://www.goofbay.com/ebay_seller_history_tool.html?gsl_username=mem_memory&gsl_days=30&gsl_include=sold&gsl_submit=&gsl_submit.x=17&gsl_submit.y=10

    The seller, like many others, seems to be under this false illusion that it is acceptable to sell dodgy goods as long as you offer a refund or replacement. Can the seller replace the lost family videos, wedding videos, holiday snapshots, coursework, etc., lost trusting these fakes? No, that’s your problem. You got your refund!

    Traveler

    August 22, 2010 at 9:20 PM

  17. I got a friend of mine to “have Words” he says he asked the seller to guarantee that the 128G would store at least 126G, seems the sellers reply was “my supplier says they are OK but I have had some reports from buyers” To which my friend pointed out that the seller was being very unwise to take part in a drop shipping exercise, and to state the items were with him when were obviously not, was against ebay guidelines. The seller advised to wait a week and ask again (I assume to give the seller time to check) What amazes me is that he had the gall to carry on with the sales, despite getting reports from buyers, not a move an honest and wise seller would make.

    Micro

    August 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM

  18. Damned seller is bringing my town into disrepute, Northamptonshire was always an HONEST county until NOW.
    We’ll have to “Send the Boys Round”

    :-((

    Micro

    August 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM

  19. A well meaning ebay member contacted this seller concerned that they may have been the victim of fraudulent wholesalers. They guided the seller step by step through the detection and testing process. The seller made out they were not aware but has continued regardless with listings of these fake capacity counterfeits.

    This seller has sold nearly £1300.00 (38 items) of flash memory and listed nearly £1000.00 (56 items)worth that did not sell. I very much doubt the seller is intending to give it up as the profit margin is so high. It is unlikely the seller paid more than £15 per unit and more likely to be closer to the £10 per unit. No one buys these items at these prices without realising they are fake.

    Traveler

    August 22, 2010 at 3:37 AM


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