Fighting flash fraud on Ebay

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16GB flash drives from ebayer shwelone sure to corrupt files

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We are certain that the 16GB flash drives in this ebay listing from shwelone are fake capacity, which corrupts files. Every flash drive we tested that either had the little shiny capacity sticker shown in the picture or which came in this packaging turned out to be fake. The seller may not realise, though he or she says something rather odd in the listing:

Techinical support:

According to FAT file system cannot copy the file size of 4 Gigabyte – 1 byte. As the item to be delivered as unopened box, please contact me on idmtrooper@gmail.com if you like to transfer large file. Or please write a message to modify before deliver.

??? doesn’t make any sense to us, but it does suggest that seller shwelone may have noticed a problem with them.

We advise everyone who buys flash memory items to test them with the free program h2testw irrespective of where they were purchased – otherwise you run the risk of data loss and corruption.

Report your fake if testing confirms you have purchased fake capacity flash memory on ebay.

UPDATE (about 8 hours after this article was first posted).

Having learned (after a bit of argy bargy – see comments!) that we were right about these being fake, seller shwelone has ended this listing:

All buyers should receive a refund – if you are a refunded buyer reading this: please understand that shwelone had a hard time beleiving we were right about the flash drives being fake, so thank your lucky stars that your seller was persuaded to test with h2tesw and gave you a refund. If you didn’t get a refund let us know.

Sadly, we fear that shwelone will have a harder time getting a refund from the fraudulent supplier than we did in persuading shwelone to test and realise they were fakes. The best hope is a chargeback if a credit card was used for the purchase and the credit card company is one of the better ones.

Many ebay sellers who bought fakes from fraudulent wholesale outlets got only a partial refund or none at all.

If you plan to sell flash memory items on ebay please do your research thoroughly before selecting a wholesale outlet and be sure to test a few items with h2testw as soon as they arrive. Otherwise, you risk being defrauded by the supplier AND ending up with angry buyers – or even being suspended by ebay.

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Written by fightflashfraud

September 15, 2010 at 1:18 PM

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  1. That’s ok Zarni,

    A lot of buyers don’t want to beleive that they made the mistake of buying fakes from a fraudulent supplier. We wish they would just test rather than accusing us of some sort of fraud – as a lot do!

    You may find (like others before you) that buyers won’t beleive you when you explain and refund (any more than you beleived us at first!) you might want to direct them here so they can see the story of why you are refunding!

    A few sellers have found it useful and ended up with lots of positive remarks about their honesty as a result.

    fightflashfraud

    September 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM

  2. I do apologise being rude and I tested with the software you mentioned and on my own as well that’s positively false item and I refunded all the purchase. Thanks for guiding me to the right direct.

    Yours
    Zarni

    Zarni

    September 15, 2010 at 6:28 PM

  3. There is no debate to be had Zarni. This is not about debate, it is about data loss.

    You should have been able to test a 16GB flash drive with h2testw quite easily in the time since your first comment. Have you done this yet? If so then you should know by now that we were right. We expect that you, or rather, shwelone (since you claim to be shwelone’s technician) will remove the listing forthwith and refund buyers if listing fakes was an honest mistake.

    fightflashfraud

    September 15, 2010 at 6:00 PM

  4. I just wonder where did you get the facts and how did you verify those facts are correct or not. That’s totally wiered you can guess the size of the memory once you saw them on the picture and read some text. You should read all my description text and you will realise that I do provide refund policy on it within a week of arrival.

    Anyway I am really happy to debate on technology stuff and hope to get yours as well. You can contact me on idmtrooper@gmail.com.

    Zarni

    September 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM

  5. Don’t know who you think we’re cheating Zarni. We simply state the facts as we find them. Does this mean that when you find out the truth (that the flash drives are fakes which corrupt files) that the listing will be removed and any buyers refunded??

    fightflashfraud

    September 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM

  6. OK I will test with the tool you want to be and if my result is not fraud you better beg me in here and I will also put the result on youtube and tag that on my ebay page.

    Nice Threating and Cheating on the people anyway.

    Zarni

    September 15, 2010 at 3:41 PM

  7. Hi Project Manager,
    That’s a bit darned mean of them – mind you I had exactly the same attitude when I had a problem with some files for a project I was in charge of (on a flash drive needless to say) – fortunately I had actually backed them up and managed to fix things in time.

    The idiots like shwelone who sell fake flash memory obviously don’t realise the problems they can cause for others (or don’t care) – really irritates when they think they know more about IT than our lot – some of whom are seasoned IT professionals of various sorts and almost all of whom have loads of IT know-how.

    fightflashfraud

    September 15, 2010 at 3:07 PM

  8. No, they said its my fault i shouldnt have lost the project, im trying to sort out the external mail on it as the spam filters filter out all external emails and only allow internal emails so if the email bounces back please let me know.

    Project Manager

    September 15, 2010 at 2:50 PM

  9. Hi Project Manager,
    Have you got your job back then if your email is working now? We didn’t think for a moment that shwelone would test with h2testw – doesn’t want to face the truth, so your finding comes as no surprise!

    fightflashfraud

    September 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM

  10. i informed the ebay seller to test the items with H2TESTW but he has declined to, he is a fraudster. BTW fightflashfraud you should be able to send messages to my email address now

    Project Manager

    September 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM

  11. We were perfectly aware of file size limitations – we thought that the 4GB limit for FAT was widely known – it was the way it is phrased in the listing that we found a little odd and did not really make sense to us. Maybe that’s just because some members of our team are IT professionals. The reason we are sure these are fake is nothing to do with that and was given in the listing.

    We have tested numerous flash drives over the years and are experienced in spotting fakes from such visual clues. We are certain that you will find shwelone’s supplier (no doubt in China) was fraudulent and that they will fail testing with h2testw.

    fightflashfraud

    September 15, 2010 at 2:19 PM

  12. I am shwelone’s technician and I worked as web devleoper in Newcastle upon Tyne United Kingdom. I worked as IT technicial since 2000. I don’t want to explain more about that dispute post. The picture was blurred because we took the picture with the phone. And we like all the buyer to get as seen on ebay.

    According to that post the poster is not technician and doesn’t know about FAT file system. You can have a quick learning on Microsoft website by following this URL if you don’t think microsoft is the cheater
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q314463

    at there you can see
    You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte less than 4 GB) on a FAT32 partition
    that statement clearly.

    I hope the poster is not the technician and doesn’t understand what that words mean to.

    In my ebay list I put the message

    According to FAT file system cannot copy the file size of 4 Gigabyte – 1 byte. As the item to be delivered as unopened box, please contact me on idmtrooper@gmail.com if you like to transfer large file. Or please write a message to modify before deliver.

    Because I will reformat the drive with exFAT system to transfer larger file. That format type is quite new and is not strange the poster doesn’t understand on it.

    And I hope the poster will be the cheater on me during the day to buy his stuff by paying money in advance.

    Finally I will transfer all the purchased money if there have a problem on storage with that device.

    Please notes all the Gigabyte on device mentioned by bytes. If the device mentioned as 16 GB total bytes on that device is 16 000 000 000 which is equivalence of 14.9 GB you can see the conversion by viewing on that link

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=16+000+000+000+bytes+to+Gigabyte&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&expIds=17259,25856,25901,26447,26518&xhr=t&q=16000000000+bytes+to+GB&cp=2&pf=p&sclient=psy&client=firefox-a&hs=kEt&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=16000000000+bytes+to+GB&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=da3e0a7a830a4626

    Thanks
    Poster / Cheater

    Zarni

    September 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM


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