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FAKE 16GB 32GB 64GB – Conversations Between A Fake Flash Seller and A Victim – The Truth About the Scam Exposed

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Why are fake usb pen sticks, MP players and memory cards sold on eBay? The false capacity ranging from 2GB 4GB 8GB 16GB 32GB 60GB 64GB 120GB 240GB 260GB 360GB to 500GB sizes.

One size is advertised but the true size is much smaller! You buy a 16GB MP player but only get 2GB or 4GB of storage. You buy a 16GB usb flash drive and get 1GB or 2GB of storage, maybe 4GB if you are lucky. You buy a 16GB memory card and only get 2GB or 4GB. When it comes to usb flash drives and memory cards, the digital alteration of the controller flash chip is deadly – you lose your data! Do the ebay sellers know what they are doing? Is there a reason?

Recently SOSFakeFlash asked for stories, experiences. We received one, an explicit conversation between a fake flash seller and a buyer victim. It dates to the summer of 2008 and nothing since has changed. It is published exactly as received. It might be long but if you want answers start reading!

Presented by Dave:

Hi,

My names Dave and I only recently came across your site – I think it’s great and these people need to be stopped. A long while ago I had a problem with a cheap MP4 player and began talking to the seller on Skype, the conversation became very interesting! I’ll let you read!! :

I will say that it is very long, so you don’t have to read all of it, but if you have the time, you can. If not the middle bit is interesing. I might have gotten a bit harsh at times, but they were harsh to me in first place!

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eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – PayPal Demands – A Buyer’s Nightmare

eBay and Paypal frequently demand victims of fake flash purchases on eBay return the merchandise to eBay fake flash sellers of MP Players, USB Flash Drives and memory cards as a condition of refund. They aid in criminal activity. In most countries this means forcing a member to violate the laws found in most countries that prohibit using the local postal system to send or receive fake and counterfeit goods. Some eBay members are not aware of this. Others are but because eBay and PayPal refuse to listen and as they have suffered a serious financial loss attempt to examine the possibility of returning the items. What happens to eBay members when then return the items? Do they get a refund? What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back?

A recent case involving eBay Seller worldshiping12699 and eBay Buyer BarryX is presented to demonstrate the problems.

What happens to eBay members when they return items to fake flash sellers, do they get a refund?

Some do get a refund. They have to pay the expenses for postage out of their own pocket. They are not refunded for the shipping charges for receding the item or for returning it. Is this fair? The sellers they send back to, do not stop listing items when the member submitted evidence of false capacity. Instead these sellers continued to list and sell. In some cases they accelerated the number of daily listings, racing against the fake flash clock. No matter how many negatives in feedback they continued with both eBay and PayPal sheltering them under their powerseller status. What happens to the fake returned? It is recycled. Sold to the next eBay buyer.

Most people do not get a refund when they sent an item back. Why? They receive bad return addresses or the seller simply claims they did not receive it.

When an eBayer paid additional postal fees to ensure a tracking number, what happens? Frequently these sellers upon having funds removed from their accounts retaliated issuing an unpaid item strike. against the buyer. Vindictive. Nasty.

First the eBay buyer, gets a fake flash item, often losing important data for good. Second the eBay buyer finds both eBay and PayPal siding with the seller and forcing them to return the item at their own expense. Third, the eBay buyer never hears again from the seller, losing the evidence and now the additional fees for returning the items or the eBay buyer finally receiving only a refund for the bid price (no shipping refund) is now faced with trying to straighten out an unpaid item stike. This is eBay’s enhanced buying experience for buying nand based flash technology that is actually false capacity. A very dark side of eBay and PayPal is revealed for the buyer.

What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back, what address?

Fake flash sellers on eBay often have many addresses. The one used for sending often is not the one for returning the item. The one on file for the seller with eBay is often not the one on file with Paypal. Confusing? Yes!

Take the recent case of a victim of fake flash seller worldshiping12699 verses BarryX.

worldshiping12699 is registered in the United States, to one:

Kevin Burgon

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

When victim BarryX recieved the item, the return address was:

XU GANG
G/F , BLOCK 26,428 Yuen
Konk Tsuen, Yuen Long
Hong Kong

When the victim contacted the seller id worldshiping12699 he was told the return address was:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

PayPal ordered Victim Barry to return the item to:

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

What address is the real address to return the fake flash usb drive to?

PayPal is ordering the victim to send the item to a restaurant. The address:

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

is for London Fish & Chips

LondonFishChips

It is not the first time an American Fake Flash seller has used a restaurant address, the last one SOSFakeFlash received was a for a kebab restaurant. Now Fish and Chips is being used as target or is that actually a side order on the American Fake Flash menu?

The item appears to have been sent to the victim from here:

Sent1

Sent

The return address worldshiping12699 wants the victim to return the item to using the zip code is:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

SellerWantsReturnedTo1

SellerWantsReturnedTo2AddressAppears

A university? Is digitally altering flash drive chips on the curriculum? It doesn’t make sense.

So which address is the right one? Can you see the dilemma and challenges faced by victims?

BarryX in definitely confused and can not get a proper answer.

PayPal thunders “Return or no refund!”

Nice for Barry. Should he just put the addresses in a hat and blindly select one to return his false capacity usb drive to? Would that give him a 33% chance for a refund? We doubt it will be that high.

It may interest you to know in the case of BarryX, Kingston confirmed the usb flash drive he received from worldshiping12699 was a counterfeit.

Also that in a later communication worldshiping12699 wrote:

Dear BarryX:

The Item was real and brand new.
Ebay has a lot of fraudulent activities. Don’t threat me.
If you want a full refund, you need to return the item to the sender
I try our best to make my customer satisfied.

We would like to offer the more partial refund ($25.00) and you don’t need to return the item. Also please first change the feedback, otherwise I will charge you $15 for restocking fee. If you want get the full refund, we require you to return the item to the following address which is our drop shipper’s address:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

The international shipping cost is very expensive. We recommend you accept this offer to save both of us time and money.
Any question, please let me know.

Thank you

worldshiping12699 has in engaged in exhortion and is in violation of eBay policy. A seller might charge a restocking fee, but for a counterfeit? Also the restocking fee is only charged IF feedback is not changed from negative to positive. By doing this ebay fake flash seller worldshiping12699 has trapped himself with his own words.

The address confusion remains. For a full refund BarryX must return to the sender, but the sender was XU GANG. Then in the same email BarryX is instructed to return to the drop shipper, Sun jianzhong.

In demanding these fake or counterfeit false capacity flash based devices be returned PayPal is in fact ordering the eBay victim to violate postal laws.

With the number of different addresses, victims have little hope of determining which one might just be the right one to return the “crime to the criminal“.

Everything seems designed to ensure the fake flash victim gives up, so that eBay, fake flash sellers and PayPal may keep the members money.

People should never use their bank account funds to finance the purchase of these items, instead ensure a credit card is used. This gives you added protection and can make getting a refund simpler. Credit card companies are usually more interested in your business and protecting you than we think eBay or Pay pal ever will.

We advise everyone who buys flash memory items to test them with the free program h2testw irrespective of where they were purchased – otherwise you run the risk of data loss and corruption.

Report your fake if testing confirms you have purchased fake capacity flash memory on ebay.

PayPal Orders You To Return Fake MP Players, Fake MP Players , Fake USB Flash Drives, Fake Memory Cards To Get A Refund? Think Again!

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Are you thinking of obeying PayPals demands to return fake MP Players, Memory Cards or usb flash drives purchased on eBay from a fake flash seller to get a refund? SOSFakeFlash has published many articles on why you should not. We think you should read the latest article just published by FakeFlashNews.

eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – Returning For Refunds. How Many Addresses Do Fake Flash Sellers Have – A Buyer’s Confusion

After reading it please consult PayPal How Long Do You Have To Claim For A Refund In Disputes? A Guide About PayPal From eBayer’s Experiences. and read all the helpful articles published in that guide to assist victims of fake flash purchases on eBay!

Written by KittyFireFlash

April 29, 2009 at 5:02 AM

UK seller keithhuffman687 deregistered and listings removed

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Seller keithhuffman687 an ebay member since 27 November, based in the UK, sold suspect flash drives in private auctions. Listings have been removed and the seller is now de-registered. Amazingly this seller had a feedback score of 50 at the point of de-registration and did not have a single negative! This demonstrates how few people test their drives. If you bought from this seller you should immediately test your drives with h2testw. You are in grave danger of file loss/corruption. If your drive fails the test please report the fake to sosfakeflash – use the report a fake tab. If you act quickly you should be able to get a refund through paypal.
Download h2testw here

Written by fightflashfraud

February 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Hong Kong Fake Flash eBay Sellers – How To Get PayPal Refunds

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ebayers with Fake Flash drives bought on eBay from Hong Kong or China , SOSFakeFlash asks that you use a new procedure to resolve claim issues and get your refund at PayPal.

The Government of China does not condone or promote the traffic in counterfeit Flash drives. Citizens of this country who choose to engage in the illegal reprogramming of Flash drives or knowingly persist in selling them, need to be reported. The Chinese law enforcement agencies need your assistance and cooperation to help them identify the sources.

The actions are very direct in addressing the fake flash seller. This method sends a clear direct message to an eBay Seller who has sold fake flash drives to eBayers. Early reports indicates it is having results addressing the refund issue.

This article is reprinted from SOSFakeFlash. It appeared at their site on September 19th, 2008.

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Written by KittyFireFlash

January 21, 2009 at 7:09 AM

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