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eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – PayPal Demands – A Buyer’s Nightmare

eBay and Paypal frequently demand victims of fake flash purchases on eBay return the merchandise to eBay fake flash sellers of MP Players, USB Flash Drives and memory cards as a condition of refund. They aid in criminal activity. In most countries this means forcing a member to violate the laws found in most countries that prohibit using the local postal system to send or receive fake and counterfeit goods. Some eBay members are not aware of this. Others are but because eBay and PayPal refuse to listen and as they have suffered a serious financial loss attempt to examine the possibility of returning the items. What happens to eBay members when then return the items? Do they get a refund? What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back?

A recent case involving eBay Seller worldshiping12699 and eBay Buyer BarryX is presented to demonstrate the problems.

What happens to eBay members when they return items to fake flash sellers, do they get a refund?

Some do get a refund. They have to pay the expenses for postage out of their own pocket. They are not refunded for the shipping charges for receding the item or for returning it. Is this fair? The sellers they send back to, do not stop listing items when the member submitted evidence of false capacity. Instead these sellers continued to list and sell. In some cases they accelerated the number of daily listings, racing against the fake flash clock. No matter how many negatives in feedback they continued with both eBay and PayPal sheltering them under their powerseller status. What happens to the fake returned? It is recycled. Sold to the next eBay buyer.

Most people do not get a refund when they sent an item back. Why? They receive bad return addresses or the seller simply claims they did not receive it.

When an eBayer paid additional postal fees to ensure a tracking number, what happens? Frequently these sellers upon having funds removed from their accounts retaliated issuing an unpaid item strike. against the buyer. Vindictive. Nasty.

First the eBay buyer, gets a fake flash item, often losing important data for good. Second the eBay buyer finds both eBay and PayPal siding with the seller and forcing them to return the item at their own expense. Third, the eBay buyer never hears again from the seller, losing the evidence and now the additional fees for returning the items or the eBay buyer finally receiving only a refund for the bid price (no shipping refund) is now faced with trying to straighten out an unpaid item stike. This is eBay’s enhanced buying experience for buying nand based flash technology that is actually false capacity. A very dark side of eBay and PayPal is revealed for the buyer.

What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back, what address?

Fake flash sellers on eBay often have many addresses. The one used for sending often is not the one for returning the item. The one on file for the seller with eBay is often not the one on file with Paypal. Confusing? Yes!

Take the recent case of a victim of fake flash seller worldshiping12699 verses BarryX.

worldshiping12699 is registered in the United States, to one:

Kevin Burgon

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

When victim BarryX recieved the item, the return address was:

XU GANG
G/F , BLOCK 26,428 Yuen
Konk Tsuen, Yuen Long
Hong Kong

When the victim contacted the seller id worldshiping12699 he was told the return address was:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

PayPal ordered Victim Barry to return the item to:

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

What address is the real address to return the fake flash usb drive to?

PayPal is ordering the victim to send the item to a restaurant. The address:

6446 Tryon Rd
Cary, NC 27518
United States

is for London Fish & Chips

LondonFishChips

It is not the first time an American Fake Flash seller has used a restaurant address, the last one SOSFakeFlash received was a for a kebab restaurant. Now Fish and Chips is being used as target or is that actually a side order on the American Fake Flash menu?

The item appears to have been sent to the victim from here:

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Sent

The return address worldshiping12699 wants the victim to return the item to using the zip code is:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

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SellerWantsReturnedTo2AddressAppears

A university? Is digitally altering flash drive chips on the curriculum? It doesn’t make sense.

So which address is the right one? Can you see the dilemma and challenges faced by victims?

BarryX in definitely confused and can not get a proper answer.

PayPal thunders “Return or no refund!”

Nice for Barry. Should he just put the addresses in a hat and blindly select one to return his false capacity usb drive to? Would that give him a 33% chance for a refund? We doubt it will be that high.

It may interest you to know in the case of BarryX, Kingston confirmed the usb flash drive he received from worldshiping12699 was a counterfeit.

Also that in a later communication worldshiping12699 wrote:

Dear BarryX:

The Item was real and brand new.
Ebay has a lot of fraudulent activities. Don’t threat me.
If you want a full refund, you need to return the item to the sender
I try our best to make my customer satisfied.

We would like to offer the more partial refund ($25.00) and you don’t need to return the item. Also please first change the feedback, otherwise I will charge you $15 for restocking fee. If you want get the full refund, we require you to return the item to the following address which is our drop shipper’s address:

Sun jianzhong
Wanfuge Floor 12, D.
Hengfu Garden, South Caitian Road, Futian District,
Shenzhen, Guangdong, China, Zipcode: 518045

The international shipping cost is very expensive. We recommend you accept this offer to save both of us time and money.
Any question, please let me know.

Thank you

worldshiping12699 has in engaged in exhortion and is in violation of eBay policy. A seller might charge a restocking fee, but for a counterfeit? Also the restocking fee is only charged IF feedback is not changed from negative to positive. By doing this ebay fake flash seller worldshiping12699 has trapped himself with his own words.

The address confusion remains. For a full refund BarryX must return to the sender, but the sender was XU GANG. Then in the same email BarryX is instructed to return to the drop shipper, Sun jianzhong.

In demanding these fake or counterfeit false capacity flash based devices be returned PayPal is in fact ordering the eBay victim to violate postal laws.

With the number of different addresses, victims have little hope of determining which one might just be the right one to return the “crime to the criminal“.

Everything seems designed to ensure the fake flash victim gives up, so that eBay, fake flash sellers and PayPal may keep the members money.

People should never use their bank account funds to finance the purchase of these items, instead ensure a credit card is used. This gives you added protection and can make getting a refund simpler. Credit card companies are usually more interested in your business and protecting you than we think eBay or Pay pal ever will.

We advise everyone who buys flash memory items to test them with the free program h2testw irrespective of where they were purchased – otherwise you run the risk of data loss and corruption.

Report your fake if testing confirms you have purchased fake capacity flash memory on ebay.

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PayPal Orders You To Return Fake MP Players, Fake MP Players , Fake USB Flash Drives, Fake Memory Cards To Get A Refund? Think Again!

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Are you thinking of obeying PayPals demands to return fake MP Players, Memory Cards or usb flash drives purchased on eBay from a fake flash seller to get a refund? SOSFakeFlash has published many articles on why you should not. We think you should read the latest article just published by FakeFlashNews.

eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – Returning For Refunds. How Many Addresses Do Fake Flash Sellers Have – A Buyer’s Confusion

After reading it please consult PayPal How Long Do You Have To Claim For A Refund In Disputes? A Guide About PayPal From eBayer’s Experiences. and read all the helpful articles published in that guide to assist victims of fake flash purchases on eBay!

Written by KittyFireFlash

April 29, 2009 at 5:02 AM

Call To Victims Of Fake Flash Seller takeme2home – Did You Send Items back To This Address?

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takeme2home is an eBayer seller id that has a long history of trafficking in fake and counterfeit USB Flash Drives, Memory Cards and MP Players. Detected in June 2008 takeme2home was forced into fake flash retirement.

Don of Fake Flash known under the former flag ship id 3totrade was chased from eBay by members. eBayers and SOSFakeFalsh continued round up his other id’s. One by one. He took the takeme2home id out of retirement and pressed into full fake flash selling duties.

SOSFakeFlash was patiently waiting for this id to return and on April 10th, 2009 published this alert:

takeme2home Ebay Fake Flash Seller High Alert – Hong Kong – Another eBay Seller Id Of The Don Of Fake Flash In The Orient

Ebay victims began arriving. Address information received added and linked this suspected id to the Don’s arsenal.

Now victims are going through the usual mindless PayPal emailing robots to return the fake flash items. Some caved in, breaking the postal laws in their countries and sent the items back. Did they get a refund? If you examine feedback, it seems that victims did not. In the past the Don Of Fake Flash flash has pulled similar tricks – a bad return address. He did this with the pengsoloshow ebay seller id. It is very likely he is doing it now with the takeme2home id.

Has PayPal ordered YOU to return the items to this address?

C/O LEE TAT FURNITURE & HOUSEWARE PLAZA
SHOP 3-B G/F TAK BO GARDEN, 3 NGAU TAU KOK ROAD
Hong Kong

Are you a person who sent an item to this address and then had the seller id claim it was never received? Please contact us at sosfakeflashdrive@gmail.com

The original shipping address from Kong Kong was:

Lei Sio Hong

Room 1921, HengFung House,
Heng On Estate,
Shatia, Hongkong

The oringal adddress in China was:

Zhong Lisha(TH)

32B, XiaoFeng Building ,
YouYi Road, Luohu District,
Shenzhen, 518002
Guangdong Province
China

As we have said many times, please do not send fake and counterfeit flash nand technology items back to the counterfeiters. Make sure to get PayPal on record with email evidence demanding this. The fact it they know better, but their email robots don’t.

Please see the recent comments on PayPal, there is more information and contact numbers you can call.

and the general link given to sort out PayPal call numbers. PayPal People are reported to have more good sense these days then their robots.

If you are a victim of takeme2home and you sent the item to the furniture store address and did not get a refund – CALL PAYPAL! Forget about any time window claims, insist on your refund. If you paid by credit card, call the credit card company to initiate a reversal. Make a complaint to eBay as well.

http://ebay.dybteam.com Attacked – The FrankenFlash Project Advises New Address http://ebay.totalh.com

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Due to heavy bandwidth and the recent attack on http://ebay.dybteam.com/ the FrankenFlash Project has removed this website.

It addressed Bayers who suffered from fake and false capacity MP Players, USB flash drives and Memory Cards Purchased on eBay. Specializing in providing translation to reach the global community, eBayers Against False Capacity Flash will be missed.

It is not easy to fight the the issue of fake MP Players, Memory Cards and Usb flash drives. Fraudsters and scammers are finding their sales decreasing. That is what the project has in mind. Eliminating the traffic in false capacity fake MP Players, Usb Flash drives and MP Players. The profits made by these scammers and fraudsters is alarming. The damage being done to buyers with lost information is terrible. It is a war. Fake Flash needs to be stopped. eBay is the first area to be addressed. Fortunately there are team members who have a solid IT background working in the project.

Who has contributed to the fight? Everyone. From housewife and causal computer user, to accountants and IT professionals. Teenagers, Truck Drivers and Octogenarians – all have tried to give a helping hand. It’s a global problem. It needs to be stopped. The project has replaced http://ebay.dybteam.com/ with:

http://ebay.totalh.com/

we don’t intend to let the international community down. Ebayers Against Fake Flash Devices II has the same functionality of the old site. Translation will be slower but it is now offered in 42 languages. It offers caching but will only translate 1 article every 11 minutes. In time the cache will build to provide everyone with the information they need in languages they understand.

For translation on news for fake flash you can visit http://fakeflashnews.totalh.com/ FakeFlashNews II.

Written by KittyFireFlash

April 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM

MP Players eBay Stop Buying 8GB 16GB MP3 MP4 At Cut Rate Bargain Prices SOSFakeFlash Advises

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MP Players are hot on eBay! Beware. 8GB and 16GB Players with MP3 or MP4 are likely to be fakes or counterfeits if you bought at low prices. If you are lucky your MP player will be 2GB or 4GB – not more.

Fake MP Players on eBay are an old story and it’s been around for several years. Every day there is a new crop of victims. Why? Bargain hunting! SOSFakeFlash has no choice but to issue this warning. Do not buy any MP Players on eBay advertised as 8GB or 16GB. Period! Stop looking for bargains! You are not going to get a real 8GB or 16GB at $25 to $50.

We know that economic conditions are hard, but you need to be realistic about paying fair prices. If you want to pay less and get more – welcome to fake flash hell!

You might find SOSFakeFlash’s words harsh. They are. Too many people are being frauded and few get their money back. Many eBayers are conned into believing their MP Player is “defective”. There is nothing defective in reprogramming a flash drive chip to lie about it’s size!

Make sure to look at the reference reading presented below for additional information and advice. Also see the list of eBay Sellers caught selling fake MP Players as of April 4th, 2009 at the end of this article

Most of the Fake MP Players are coming from sellers in Hong Kong and China. There appear to be two distinct rings operating under many id’s. It is a fake flash collective. Beware that due to SOSFakeFlash’s internet presence eBay sellers are now listing advertising local countries. You will only realize the truth when your MP Player arrives.

The profits from selling fake MP Players is mind numbing! Current estimates are 1 in a 250 sold leads to a PayPal dispute, that is 249 ahead. Both eBay and fake flash seller are dancing with fake flash profit joy – at your expense!

Avoid the misery of filing disputes. The pain grows when eBay quickly suspends the seller, whoops all listings gone, all evidence gone. You will have to crawl under the hood of your Paypal account and do a lot of extra digging to file a dispute when a seller is deregistered.

eBay and PayPal are not not going to make it easy for you. The harder the better. After all they don’t want to refund you. eBay has never warned members who bought from a fake flash seller and they never will. Why? It means admitting to the fact they have a problem.

Never pay for an MP Player using your bank account, use your credit card with PayPal. It gives you a better chance of recovering your money. PayPal hates it. Fake flash sellers will hate it more! PayPal may say they can’t refund you because they need to get to the fake flash sellers funds. Funny how quickly they will claw back the money from the fraudster when the credit card company does a reversal!

For now, do not buy MP Players at 8GB 16GB with MP3 MP4 on eBay. Save up until you have enough to buy a real one locally. There are just too many fakes. eBay is not cleaning things up, instead they registering sellers so they can remove listings and all traces of what these scammers sold! The fraud is astonishing.

If you bought an MP Player on eBay, tested it and found out you have a fake, make sure you leave a negative immediately! File a dispute afterwards. Never withdraw your negative in exchange for a refund. Never return a fake with the hope or promise of your refund. Also be a good citizen and do your part – contact other buyers who left positive feedback and get them to test! If you left positive feedback – do follow up feedback indicating that you really bought a fake! Add in your feedback the web address sosfakeflash.wordpress.com – our calling card and message to fake flash sellers and to assist other eBayers trying to find the truth and get help!

Also visit the new site http://flashdrivefacts.wordpress.com/ and read:

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

Now, have a look at the sellers caught by SOSFakeFlash so far.

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Written by KittyFireFlash

April 5, 2009 at 5:53 AM

SOSFakeFlash Reports Counterfeit Corsair Voyager 64GB On eBay

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Corsair now joins Sony, Kingston and Transcend to have their brand name usb flash drives counterfeited and sold on eBay. The joys of fake flash selling, the profits are so good and for brand names commanding high prices the profit is addicting. The misery of fake flash buyers, the woes of data loss and trying to get money back.

SOSFakeFlash has now two ebay sellers reported and of course confirmed. Sellers or want to be sellers on eBay. Pay Attention! Make sure you test your merchandise properly. The program H2testw 1.4 doesn’t cost you a penny and links to it are found out the FrankenFlash Project sites. It will save you a lot of coming misery if you purchased cheat merchandise. The wholesale prices for usb flash drives are not Cheap and never have been. Visit the http://flashdrivefacts.wordpress.com/ to learn more about prices. That new site is devoted it educating sellers and buyers.

The most disturbing things is that both Corsair and Kingston have had their lastest flash drives faked. This hurts! It costs a lot of money to develop new technology and having it ripped off and counterfeited with cheap imitations causing data loss and a very negative experience in the consumers mind is damaging. As usual, don’t expect eBay to wiggle a finger to stop it. They will only do the bare minimum and have always chosen the easily road – closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. It’s some time hard to see the difference. eBay appears as addicted to profit as the fake flash sellers. Mean while, brand names can suffer and the buyers too.

We understand the problems of the current economic situation. But if you penny pitch when it comes to usb flash drives, you will be knocking at our door soon. SOSFakeFlash has had a rash of fake Data Traveler 150 32GB fakes being reported on eBay. Add the recent Transcend, Sony and now Kingston we have only one sad conclusion:

Until eBay visits the Betty Ford clinic to clean up their profit fee addiction and develops a backbone to address the fake and counterfeit flash device issue for brand names and no name in MP Players, Memory Cards and USB Flash drives – STAY AWAY FROM BUYING ANY OF THESE ITEMS ON EBAY! It is not safe.

You need to understand the realistic prices. Once again SOSFakeFlash has some advice if you want to buy these items on eBay;

Use a Credit Card! Fight with PayPal’s silly payment system that tries to discourage you from using a credit card, blocking the options. Struggle through their pages to get to the options to use it.

Why? Because if you are bitten with a fake flash purchase you don’t have to suffer their moaning and groaning and excuses. You can call your credit card company. PayPal hates this. Victims of fake flash love this. It seems the credit card companies are more interested in your business and welfare then they are. Read Buying On eBay – MP Players – Memory Cards – USB Flash drives – Why You should Use A Credit Card To Pay And Not Your Bank Account

If you are a fake flash victim read up on all the Paypal advice in:

PayPal How Long Do You Have To Claim For A Refund In Disputes? A Guide About PayPal From eBayer’s Experiences

We know times are hard, but a usb flash drive is an investment. Don’t be come a victim of fake or counterfeit usb flash. Be very careful with brand names, Corsair’s Voyager just joined the brand names being sold counterfeited as fakes on eBay.

What Is It That eBay Sellers of Fake Flash Devices Using Private Auctions Just Don’t Understand?

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It is no secret that eBay is NOT the place to buy flash devices such as usb flash drives, memory cards or MP Players. There are genuine sellers of these items on eBay but they are few and hard to find -buried under the cheap and not so cheap fake flash heap. The traffic in counterfeit and fake (flash capacity) has been around for a long time on eBay, old eBay members say it dates back to 2003 but most internet evidence starts appearing in 2005.

eBay Fake Flash sellers come and go. The most recent trend is to use Private Auctions so that there is no evidence of what was purchased. This is against the intent eBay had for the use of such listing. Like other fake flash sellers they do get found out. But these sellers add to their crimes when they are caught by a member. SOSFakeFlash has seen this repeatedly in eight months of investigating.

Seeing it is believing it. Here is one of the most obvious and glaring examples.

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Written by KittyFireFlash

January 22, 2009 at 5:52 AM